Originally Posted by Archangel

Huckabee and Obama take first place in Iowa and the race is on. Hillary claims victory in spite of her 3rd place showing. The Breck Girl came in second and proceeded to yell at everyone in his victory speech. There's a long way to go though so It's way to early to make any predictions for me.

I had a different perspective. All three seemed very presidential. I am more of an Obama fan then I was. In the end I don't care which of the 3 wins as long they beat the repubilcan. I loved what Edwards said about corporate greed and I can only hope that more taxes and regulations are comming the corporate way if Edwards wins. Huckabees speech on the other hand was sickening. He looks, sounds, and has some of the same body language as Nixon. Apearantly, from Huckabees past statements, the We, as he kept saying, doesn't include aids patiences or gay people. Since Huckabee wants to quarentine people with aids and is opposed to civil rights for gay people. And I almost forgot he believes women must submit to their husbands. People you want to quarentine, make second class citizens, and have submit to other people can not be apart of the "We".

Originally Posted by Archangel

Huckabee and Obama take first place in Iowa and the race is on. Hillary claims victory in spite of her 3rd place showing. The Breck Girl came in second and proceeded to yell at everyone in his victory speech. There's a long way to go though so It's way to early to make any predictions for me.

That'd be the Breck Boy.

I was happy to see Hillary get a first round message that she might not be a shoe-in. However, Iowa often chooses those who do not win the nominations, much less the elections. Hillary is still a danger to our health and welfare.

...and Obama should consider double security. It is either coincidental or suspect that many in the path of the Clinton's political careers have died by "accident" or "suicide".

Originally Posted by jim's trucking

...and Obama should consider double security. It is either coincidental or suspect that many in the path of the Clinton's political careers have died by "accident" or "suicide".

I think he needs more due to nut-jobs who will have issue with his race and/or the fact that he was raised Muslim. He is not my first choice, but I worry about him.

Originally Posted by jim's trucking

That'd be the Breck Boy.

I was happy to see Hillary get a first round message that she might not be a shoe-in. However, Iowa often chooses those who do not win the nominations, much less the elections. Hillary is still a danger to our health and welfare.

Agreed on Iowa's track record for picking winners. And I found it very interesting that a 95% white State supported Obama so overwhelmingly. I think it pretty much relegates Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's industries of blaming everything that happens on racism to the status of irrellevance, Nationally speaking. I understand there are still pockets of recism in America and probably will be for generations to come, but it isn't in the National psyche as it once was thankfully.

...and Obama should consider double security. It is either coincidental or suspect that many in the path of the Clinton's political careers have died by "accident" or "suicide".

I agree completely. All of the racists in America today are less a threat to him than Hillbilly is. I believe deeply that JFK jr's Plane Crash was perfectly timed just as he was planning to run for the US Senate in NY against Hillary's first run. She knew she could never beat him and becoming Senator of NY was key to her goal to get where she is at today in this race to take the Whitehouse.

I will never forget the initial report by an eye witness on Marthas Vineyard who reported seeing a small explosion in the sky before a plane tumbled into the ocean. And when they pulled his plane up the tail was blown off. Just like his Father, I believe Jr was murdered by political enemies.

Originally Posted by jitobear

I think he needs more due to nut-jobs who will have issue with his race and/or the fact that he was raised Muslim. He is not my first choice, but I worry about him.

You're probably right about that. There are likely many of them (racist nut-jobs)...and only one Hillary entourage...slam full of nut-jobs. But he can't tell the difference between them so he'd better watch out for both.

(However, he did win BIG in a practically lily-white state.)

I'd hate to see this election marred by something such as was Pakistan's in Bhutto's killing...but we are not immune to assassinations. They just usually occur after the election.

Originally Posted by Archangel

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I agree completely. All of the racists in America today are less a threat to him than Hillbilly is. I believe deeply that JFK jr's Plane Crash was perfectly timed just as he was planning to run for the US Senate in NY against Hillary's first run. She knew she could never beat him and becoming Senator of NY was key to her goal to get where she is at today in this race to take the Whitehouse.

I will never forget the initial report by an eye witness on Marthas Vineyard who reported seeing a small explosion in the sky before a plane tumbled into the ocean. And when they pulled his plane up the tail was blown off. Just like his Father, I believe Jr was murdered by political enemies.

Let's not digress too far with this, but I've heard nothing before about her possible snuffing of John-John. John-John was an inexperienced pilot that flew into a haze over the ocean and like many before him, became disoriented for lack of a visible horizon and flew directly into the ocean. I doubt Hillary had anything to do with John-John's arrogance and stupidity. He killed himself and the others with him.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...54C0A96F958260

Originally Posted by jim's trucking

You're probably right about that. There are likely many of them (racist nut-jobs)...and only one Hillary entourage...slam full of nut-jobs. But he can't tell the difference between them so he'd better watch out for both.

(However, he did win BIG in a practically lily-white state.)

I'd hate to see this election marred by something such as was Pakistan's in Bhutto's killing...but we are not immune to assassinations. They just usually occur after the election.

Unless running as a VP, he won't get office.
He's a current sensation with a lot of charisma.
His win was spurred by new voters who, unless they stick with the program, won't likely turn out on the real important election date.

I've noted in a few races like this in the recent past, that sometimes a popular minority will do real well in the polls but come crunch time, many people do have inbuilt racism problems.

Unless people are well and truely tired of Bush and old school politicians, we won't see 'change'.

And Edwards Obama ticket could pull out a win especially if they focused on a joint (and workable) health care plan and Iraq solution as prime issues but, I just don't see Hillary pulling it out at all.

Being a foreigner I don't know much about this subject. But what do the records show? That not always the candidates who win in Iowa win the nomination. Neither Reagan nor Bill Clinton won in Iowa.

Hillary Clinton is the one I would vote for if I were American

I read somewhere that the candidate with the longest surname always win the Presidential election. Is it correct?

Hillary Clinton is the one I would vote for if I were American

I agree, what America needs is more candidates who profess their concern for the common man, while actually pandering to corporate lobbyists.

Truly the White House has a real shortage of these types, they're what the US needs to get it back on track.

Originally Posted by jim's trucking

Let's not digress too far with this, but I've heard nothing before about her possible snuffing of John-John. John-John was an inexperienced pilot that flew into a haze over the ocean and like many before him, became disoriented for lack of a visible horizon and flew directly into the ocean. I doubt Hillary had anything to do with John-John's arrogance and stupidity. He killed himself and the others with him.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...54C0A96F958260

I knew my recollection was accurate, but it never got a lot of press coverage which is more disturbing and suspicious considering who died that night. Here's the link and an excerpt from the article, and what's more interesting is it was a reporter who saw the flash of light in the sky. Someone who is a trained observer.

Now notice how he dropped 1200 feet in just 12 seconds. That is a dead fall considering the plane had wings to slow its descent. Does that sound like he was disoriented and just flew into the water by accident? I think not. Also note that visibility was good enough that night so he could fly without instruments. And finally, at the very bottom is the eye witness who saw the explosion before the crash.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO...FK_JR/upi.html

At 9:39 p.m. Friday, Kennedy radioed the airport and said he was 13
miles from the airport and 10 miles from the coast, according to WCVB-TV
news in Boston. He reportedly said he was making his final approach.
Moments later, radar operated by the Federal Aviation Administration
showed the plane went into a dive and dropped 1,200 feet in just 12
seconds, according to ABC News. In his final approach message, WCVB-TV said Kennedy told controllers
at the airport that he planned to drop off his wife's sister and then
take off again between 11 p.m. and 11:30 p.m. for Hyannis Airport. Kennedy's family then called Hyannis Airport - around 2:15 a.m.,
reports say - when he failed to arrive. The airport then checked with
the Martha's Vineyard airport, and the search began.
The plane took off from Essex County Airport in Caldwell, N.J., at
8:38 p.m. Friday and lost contact with the FAA on its final approach to
Martha's Vineyard, Mass., said Coast Guard spokesman Steve Carleton.
An emergency beacon thought to belong to the plane was activated and
heard by the Coast Guard in Long Island, N.Y., at 3:40 a.m. But as the
search went on, authorities seemed to discount the relevance of the
beacon signal.
Kurt Hartman, spokesman for the U.S. Coast Guard's district
headquarters in New Haven, Conn., said this morning, "We received a
call from our district office in Boston directing us to conduct a
shoreline search off Horton Point, in Long Island Sound, for an
emergency locating transmitting beacon."
But by 10:30 a.m., the Coast Guard was no longer receiving a signal
from the emergency beacon that was believed to be on Kennedy's small
plane.
Petty Officer Virginia Adams in Boston confirmed to United Press
International that the Coast Guard lost the signal Saturday morning.
Adams also confirmed that Kennedy was piloting the plane, and that his
wife and sister-in-law were aboard.
Jamie Gaspar, spokesman for Martha's Vineyard Airport, told UPI that
"someone was at the airport to pick up the passengers on the plane, but
it never arrived."
A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston
that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw
"big white flash in the sky" off Philbin Beach. Visibility at the time was reported to be 8 miles,
clear enough to fly without instruments.

Originally Posted by Archangel

I agree completely. All of the racists in America today are less a threat to him than Hillbilly is. I believe deeply that JFK jr's Plane Crash was perfectly timed just as he was planning to run for the US Senate in NY against Hillary's first run. She knew she could never beat him and becoming Senator of NY was key to her goal to get where she is at today in this race to take the Whitehouse.

I will never forget the initial report by an eye witness on Marthas Vineyard who reported seeing a small explosion in the sky before a plane tumbled into the ocean. And when they pulled his plane up the tail was blown off. Just like his Father, I believe Jr was murdered by political enemies.

Sounds like the hoo-ha that people spouted when Wellstone's plane crashed, as there was no way Norm Coleman would have won otherwise. Wellstone was absolutely adored in here in Minnesota.

Frankly I have always though Norm was slimey - even when he was mayor of St. Paul and I cried when Wellstone died, but it was just an accident.

Originally Posted by Winston Smith

Being a foreigner I don't know much about this subject. But what do the records show? That not always the candidates who win in Iowa win the nomination. Neither Reagan nor Bill Clinton won in Iowa.

Traditionally winning in Iowa is a pretty good indicator of defeat. The problem is that Iowa is a lot more conservative and a lot more religous than the rest of the country. It used to be that canidates spent an enormous amount of time and money in Iowa, hoping to build osme momentum. This year some canidates actually skipped Iowa and none of them expended the kind of resources that politicians have in the past in Iowa. They have finally figured out that Iowa is just not that important. It does not do squat as far as building momentum and winning Iowa means you are too conservative or too religous to win the rest of the country.

Hillary Clinton is the one I would vote for if I were American

If my vote counted I would vote for Paul. As Symbiote points out, Hillary is mostly a corporate shill. That said, if paul does not win the republican nomination, I will probably end up voting for Hillary and hope that she puts Bill in charge of fiscal policy .

I read somewhere that the candidate with the longest surname always win the Presidential election. Is it correct?

Well, who won...Bush or Kerry? Reagan or Mondale? I am going to say "no" to that one.

If my vote counted I would vote for Paul.

Now that's the problem, ain't it?

If you really want to you can stand and watch the vote as it's being counted, so you can make sure that the votes count.

From my sources on Ron Paul Forums, a computer malfunction (or some think hacking) caused the records of the 20,000 registered Iowan Ron Paul supporters to be deleted from the records, except for 300. The campaign expected 17,000 votes in Iowa, which would have sent Thompson and McCain to the back of the line.

Also interesting to note, the politico sill has 2% of the Iowa Precincts left to report, I wonder where those votes are.

Originally Posted by nate895

Now that's the problem, ain't it?

If you really want to you can stand and watch the vote as it's being counted, so you can make sure that the votes count.

From my sources on Ron Paul Forums, a computer malfunction (or some think hacking) caused the records of the 20,000 registered Iowan Ron Paul supporters to be deleted from the records, except for 300. The campaign expected 17,000 votes in Iowa, which would have sent Thompson and McCain to the back of the line.

Also interesting to note, the politico sill has 2% of the Iowa Precincts left to report, I wonder where those votes are.

That's all very interesting nate. Both the 17,000 missing votes and the remaining 2% that are unreported. Please report to us if if you find out what happened there. In-discrepancies like that really bothers me, no matter who it happens to.