Originally Posted by Shooterandproud

You dont know kids do you? Uniforms do not make schools any safer, and a dress code is probably the most appropriate. It just takes common sense, your schools obviously needs a dress code. Uniforms should never be tolerated in public schools. "Saving money" is no grounds for violating our constitutional rights. And yes, children CAN talk about god in school. That is they joy of a public school, is that the school cant prevent them from talking about god. We also have freedom of religion and freedom of speech. You are either misinformed, or live in a different country.

you dont really know how to read do you? he talks about his children in both walks of life.He also mentions the dress codes that are disregaurded, also to uphold the constitution as u put it so bluntly most schools have an opt out policy. maybe next time use some good ol brain power before you go mocking someones post, also try and have a more open mind about the topic, from what ive seen of your comments you are really not focusing on the right things.

ok, honestly i think that school uniforms are a good thing. people who talk about how it diminishes creativity and has no positive benifits need to stop to think about what they are saying. Being creative only in school is something that is your problem alone, you can be creative with the rest of your day, like ohhh say... when your hanging out with your friends afterwords?
As for things like losing individuality; ok lets break that one down, when you get out into the world (as in not in america) alot of other culture promote collectivism and other things like working with others, co-operating and the such. From the early ages most americans are taught to try and be independent and this thought process usually sprout some superiority complex where they think they are better than others (and yes this doesnt happen to everyone, but no-a-days most americans are being raised in a very bad environment who could use a little less "individuality" and learn how to respect there fellow classmate/people) but basically my point there is that we are taught to think for ourselves and try hard while seeking others help on very minimal levels, then when we get towards college level educations we are then restructured into a more collectivistic view point where u need to work with others. there is no job that a person can have where he will be entirely alone (he will have acess to others, could be working with others at some point) and i think learning this co-operation at an earlier age would be more benifical.
to stop from making this opinion any more lengthy ill just say, school uniforms arent the great evil everyones making them out too be, i do agree that possibly they should be introduced around middle school level and definetly have an opt out option but other than that and a few other exceptions they are definetly a positive thing.

Everytime I read about issues involving schools, I find it ironic that the school automatically assumes every student will become a trouble maker/horrible person. What happened to teaching children to make their own decisions? Have schools become a society where innocence, not guilt, must be proven?

In most places, uniform cloths are cheaper than a pair of levi jeans.
Uniforms should however allow warm and cold cloths for the seasons.
Uniforms do not mean the exact same thing everyday. My old uniform consisted of a white oxford shirt (long or short sleaves) navy blue pants (shorts were allowed in the eary and late (warmer) parts of the year) navy blue socks, black buffed shoes (this was the only guidline for shoes) and a navy blue tie (clip or tie on) we were allowed to wear either a navy blue sweater or a navy blue pullover or go without a sweater. Out of all the people in the school, I only met one person who didn't like the uniform. I loved it. It is also true that people get bullied less in schools with uniforms. I swetched from this uniform to a not very enforced lose dress code and find it dose not matter what i wear but the different styles everyone else wears distracted me a lot. I am now very willing to wear a tie and feel mor accomplished and confident when I do. I love uniforms.

What does the price of levi jeans have to do with anything? In any case, the blazer from most school uniforms costs about as much as a pair of (grey market) levis.

I went to a uniform school from 2nd to 8th grade. Now I am in high scholl with no uniform and I have to say people were more creative when they were in a tie because it got them to express themselves in new ways. At my new scholl with no uniform, i find people just copying from their neibors ideas. I'm a 14 year old boy, I love ties and my old uniform. When I grow up, my child will wear a uniform. The "kids hate uniforms" idea is exagerated by a peronosia in kids who never wore one. It is because of pure preassur. The majority of my friends who wore uniforms never realy complained when they realised that their are more ways to express ourselves then clothes, uniforms mearly help us better understand ourselves and find even more ways to express ourselves. When I look at my public school friends , when they get together they tend to do things all the same way. When i look at people who wear uniforms, they express themselves even more.

There are arguments for forced uniforms that just don't add up. There is no reason, as almost every argument has been refuted, and the fact that its a gross civil rights violation.

Originally Posted by dislexia

I went to a uniform school from 2nd to 8th grade. Now I am in high scholl with no uniform and I have to say people were more creative when they were in a tie because it got them to express themselves in new ways. At my new scholl with no uniform, i find people just copying from their neibors ideas. I'm a 14 year old boy, I love ties and my old uniform. When I grow up, my child will wear a uniform. The "kids hate uniforms" idea is exagerated by a peronosia in kids who never wore one. It is because of pure preassur. The majority of my friends who wore uniforms never realy complained when they realised that their are more ways to express ourselves then clothes, uniforms mearly help us better understand ourselves and find even more ways to express ourselves. When I look at my public school friends , when they get together they tend to do things all the same way. When i look at people who wear uniforms, they express themselves even more.

I am also a 14 year old boy, and uniforms was living hell in elementary.

Originally Posted by Shooterandproud

I am also a 14 year old boy, and uniforms was living hell in elementary.

If school uniform=hell you're living quite a charmed life. Imagine if you had real difficulties.

Originally Posted by Shooterandproud

I am also a 14 year old boy, and uniforms was living hell in elementary.

They was?







Dayam! I'll bet yore teechers was smart two, wasn't they? Maybe if y'all had of wore somethin' differnt, you'd of learnt more about Anglish.

I admit uniforms are not for everyone.
But they force you to look deeper into yourself than ever befor, forcing you to find your esscince. Then you find more ways toexpress yourself, and you become more expressive then ever befor. (or it happened like that for me and all but one person who went to my school)

PS and if wearing a uniform is the worst thing that could happen to you, you do not realise how lucky you are.

PPS I do not think that we should all of a sudden put uniforms on 8th graders, I think it would be hard to ajust, but I do think that uniforms would help our educational system.

PPPS I apologise for any miss-spellings in this. As my name implises, I am lucky to be a Dislexic.

Originally Posted by Taiyles

well.. I've been in both schools with and without uniforms, and I find that I liked it better with uniforms. Never thought I would, on account of I'm all for individuality. But thats just my experience.

I totaly agree.
I love my old uniform.

Originally Posted by sweetQTblonde09

i think that most kids like indeviduality. i personaly would hate to dress like other people. if a person cannot express theirselves in how they dress then how can they? i hate dressing preppy and most school uniforms would look like that. so i am totaly againt them!

Wearing a uniform actualy makes you dig deeper into yourself and it teaches you to express yourself througe other ways including speach, writing and science. In no way does it disolve induvisuality. 9However it can be hard for some students to find new ways to express themselves.)

Originally Posted by wjim1269

You argued that uniforms wouldn't destroy individuality. Are you changing your argument now?



Sorry, I didn't realize that most schools already had dress codes. They didn't at my high school.



How would uniforms eliminate violations? If there's a problem with what sounds like a very lenient dress code, why would the problem go away with a stricter dress code?



But if a student doesn't like his uniform, he is not going to take care of it. It will be more likely to get stained, ripped, or lost than other clothing. Also, if you wear the same two sets of clothing to school every day, the clothes will wear down quicker and the parents must do laundry every day. This will amount to a greater expense than your math suggests.

Focus on the last paragraph. If my kid wore a uniform, and they hated it, and they ententionaly runined it (or it kept on getting ruined) I would have them by their new uniform. (yes I entend on paying allowence).