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    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    Right...but according to Jesus himself, NOT ONE LETTER OF THE OLD LAW was to be considered invalid. That is a DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE MAN HIMSELF. And the FACT is that he berated the pharisees for not hunting down disobedient children and KILLING THEM as god commanded.

    Again, Luke 16:17:

    That is JESUS talking you retard. It is literally JESUS saying the literal EXACT opposite of what you are claiming here.

    And again in Matthew 5:

    Again, JESUS is LITERALLY saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you are saying here. If you continue reading jesus literally admonishes people to not ignore the old laws or try to find clever ways around them. For example, by the time jesus showed up divorce had become fairly common. When a man divorced his wife, he gave her a certificate of divorce that basically showed she was no longer married.

    Matthew 5:31-

    Jesus is saying "I dont CARE if there are now these new fangled divorce decrees....the LAW SAYS you are still married to her, so it is still adultery"

    JESUS LITERALLY AND DIRECTLY contradicts you on this.

    What religion was it you said you followed again?
    You really are lost. Jesus came to fulfill the law on our behalf because we are all unable to adhere to it on our own. Any Pastor will tell you that.

    Paul, under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit, confirms it:

    "But now a righteousness from God, apart from (observing) the
    law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets
    testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in
    Jesus Christ to all who believe." Romans 3:21-22

    In Galatians 3:10-11, Paul addresses this contentious issue:

    "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is
    written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do every-
    thing written in the Book of the Law.' Clearly, no one is justified
    before God by the law, because, 'The righteous will live by
    faith."

    The law was powerless to justify anyone righteous in the eyes of God for the simple reason that no mortal human was able to keep the law.

    "There is no one righteous, not even one...no one who seeks God.
    There is no one who does good, not even one." (Romans 3:10-11)

    "I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he
    is obligated to obey the whole law." (Galatians 5:3)

    One might sweat out an entire lifetime trying to keep only one of God's laws, much less all of them. No, keeping the law was not the way to justification.

    The law had four major purposes:

    1. It shows us the moral character of God
    2. It serves as a tutor to lead us to Christ, by defining what sin is.
    3. It is a guide for Christian living.
    4. Knowing the law can keep us from suffering the adverse consequences of sin.

    Nice try.

    And also, don't confuse "KEEPING THE LAW" WITH HAVING EARNED ONE'S SALVATION. Salvation is by faith in Christ.

    And so far you're lost.

    The rest of your post shows how further in the dark you are.

    And you're a Bible man. Why aren't you out stoning gays and disobedient children? Or did you also leave those commands on your cutting room floor? Have you kept the whole Law? If you you're the one on his way to Hell.

    And until you document which Books/Passages of the Bible you are rejecting and which ones you are keeping, and your criteria for your selective editing, I see no reason to waste more time on you. Either put that up or go waste somebody else's time.
    “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” - Robert Jastrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyrider View Post
    You're full of folly. What did Jesus say the two most important commandments are?

    Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” - Matthew 22:36-40

    So once again, what part of ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’ do you say enslaves one's neighbor?

    If you can't get these two simple truths down, you need to throw your Bible in the trash. So far you're still in denial of these simplest and most basic principles.
    Your slave is not your neighbor, retard. He is your property.

    All you have to do, easyrider, is explain WHY even after Jesus death the disciples and apostles were still condoning slavery...even to the point that Paul actively returned an escaped slave to his master. That should not be that hard. Unlike you, if you can show me I am wrong, I will change my mind.

    If you CANT do that, then you have NOTHING and are wrong...there is no question or argument that would prove otherwise. Pitting a generalization about basic righteous living against statements SPECIFICALLY condoning slavery does not make you right. It makes you illogical.

    So which is it, easy? Can you explain why those who wrote the bible believed slavery was OK...even years after jesus was dead...or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyrider View Post
    You really are lost. Jesus came to fulfill the law on our behalf because we are all unable to adhere to it on our own. Any Pastor will tell you that.

    Paul, under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit, confirms it:

    "But now a righteousness from God, apart from (observing) the
    law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets
    testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in
    Jesus Christ to all who believe." Romans 3:21-22

    In Galatians 3:10-11, Paul addresses this contentious issue:

    "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is
    written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do every-
    thing written in the Book of the Law.' Clearly, no one is justified
    before God by the law, because, 'The righteous will live by
    faith."


    The law was powerless to justify anyone righteous in the eyes of God for the simple reason that no mortal human was able to keep the law.

    "There is no one righteous, not even one...no one who seeks God.
    There is no one who does good, not even one." (Romans 3:10-11)

    "I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he
    is obligated to obey the whole law." (Galatians 5:3)

    One might sweat out an entire lifetime trying to keep only one of God's laws, much less all of them. No, keeping the law was not the way to justification.
    Easy, this does not support your argument AT ALL. Not one Iota. In every case above they are saying that nobody is perfect and nobody can obey every law all the time. That does NOT mean the law it invalid. The fact that they acknowledge that the law is STILL IN PLACE and STILL THE LAW means that YOU ARE WRONG.

    This reminds me of an experiment related to the American legal system done several years ago. They had attorneys follow people around for a week and document every law they broke, intentionally or unintentionally, and they found that your average american commits about 9 misdemeanors and 1 felony a week without even knowing it (owing largely to the massive complexity of our legal system and the fact that we never let laws die).

    By your logic, that means that the entire american legal system is invalid. Since nobody can follow all the laws all the time, the whole thing must be completely invalid.

    That is the claim you are making here, Easy. These guys say "Nobody can follow all the laws all the time, so we are all dependent on the grace of god to get into heaven" and you somehow come to the completely and utterly insupportable conclusion that the laws simply no longer apply, DESPITE THE FACT THAT JESUS SAID THE EXACT OPPOSITE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.

    The law had four major purposes:

    1. It shows us the moral character of God
    2. It serves as a tutor to lead us to Christ, by defining what sin is.
    3. It is a guide for Christian living.
    4. Knowing the law can keep us from suffering the adverse consequences of sin.

    Nice try.

    And also, don't confuse "KEEPING THE LAW" WITH HAVING EARNED ONE'S SALVATION. Salvation is by faith in Christ.

    And so far you're lost.

    The rest of your post shows how further in the dark you are.
    First, using plagiarism for an argument about the bible is a woefully dishonest thing to do. I mean SERIOUSLY...do you not see the irony in this? You are literally lying and stealing at the same time, while trying to convince me that you know more about gods law than I do.

    Is it the fact that you cant seem to form a coherent argument on your own and your faith is turning out to be a pretty pathetic pile of misunderstandings and ignorant rantings? Or is it the fact that you knew that when everybody saw that you were quoting from Righterreport.com that we would all laugh?

    Here is the link to your argument:

    2011 December 11 The Righter Report

    I have bad news for you, Easy. I do not have it in me to will myself to believe something that is clearly not true. That means when I post an argument here about the bible, it has already been through the meat grinder of pretty much all the mainstream theories. I have heard them all before and tested my theories and interpretations against them. The only way you are going to "bust" me as you like to put it is to come up with a new argument or theory that nobody has seen before...or at least something obscure enough that I have not run up against it before. Good luck.

    Let me explain to you what you have to do to win this one, Easy. You just have to explain why Jesus literally, and on several occasions, specifically and unequivocally stated that the laws of the old testament were 100% in effect.

    Posting a bunch of nonsense that does not answer that question will do nothing at all to convince ANYBODY that you are right.

    You claim that Jesus ended the old laws.

    Jesus says he DID NOT, and that without question the old laws are STILL IN EFFECT and would be until the END OF TIME.

    It would seem that Jesus would pretty much be the ultimate authority on what he did or did not do. In order for you to "win" this argument you pretty much have to explain why jesus would have lied about that (and you are calling Jesus a liar), and provide evidence to support your claim.

    THERE IS NO OTHER WAY FOR YOU TO "WIN" THIS. It is simply logically impossible.

    Granted, "winning" this is not the really important thing. The important thing is whether or not you will continue to force yourself to believe something that Jesus himself literally said IS NOT TRUE.

    And you're a Bible man. Why aren't you out stoning gays and disobedient children? Or did you also leave those commands on your cutting room floor? Have you kept the whole Law? If you you're the one on his way to Hell.
    Because I am not foolish enough to be a biblical literalist. I dont run around trying to use the bible as a concrete list of rules like you do....and you seem to be just now discovering that your entire life you have completely misunderstood an awful lot of those rules.

    If you try to use the bible as a concrete set of rules, the end result is going to be you looking like a fool because it simply is not possible. There are just too many contradictions there and it is written from a frame of reference that you cannot possibly comprehend because the culture the authors were part of have been dead and gone for thousands of years and it was VASTLY different from our culture today. That means you you cannot understand the nuances of the bible because they are based on cultural nuances from a culture that you have never been a part of.

    That is not a logical way to approach the bible.

    The bible is a general guideline to living a life that will please god. If you actually read the bible all the way through, and bother to RESEARCH it to ensure you actually understand what you are reading, you will find it gives us a pretty good blueprint of how to live a life that is pleasing to god.

    This is where you have screwed yourself, Easy. In your rush to find biblical "evidence" to support your own ego, bigotry, and fear, you have COMPLETELY missed pretty much every major lesson that the bible has to teach. The biggest recurring theme throughout the bible is that you should love and honor god. The second biggest recurring theme throughout the bible is that you should do everything within your power to help the poor and the weak. The third biggest recurring theme throughout the bible is that you should make yourself an example of gods love and compassion in everything you do. The fourth biggest recurring theme in the bible is that it is NOT up to YOU to judge your fellow man...God takes care of that and would appreciate it if you would stay out of it. Remember we were talking about Peters vision earlier...the one that proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are wrong about Jesus invalidating dietary laws? The entire meaning of that vision was that Peter was not to judge any man to be unholy or unclean. And that was PETER....The first and most loved of Jesus disciples...the rock upon which Jesus built his church. So PETER was not worthy to judge men, but YOU somehow are?

    The 965730'th biggest point of the bible is that gay sex might or might not be a sin (we could have a whole different discussion about that).
    And abortion is not mentioned AT ALL in the bible, so it seems like maybe god does not care about that at all.

    But, since you did not approach god with an open heart and an open mind, instead trying to use the bible to justify the evil within your own heart, you have missed ALL these lessons and instead see the bible as an instrument of hate and bigotry.

    The vast majority of your posts here, for the entire time I have been reading them, have been about the evils of gay sex and the fact that it is a grave biblical sin and anybody who is having it will end up in hell, or the evils of abortion, and how it is murder in the eyes of god (completely unsupported in the bible) and how anybody who has one, or allows others to have one, is going straight to hell. Then occasionally you throw in some kind of complete and utter idiocy like your "biblical economy" rant.

    Unless YOU are having gay sex, or YOU are having an abortion (if we assume that it IS a sin and god was just too dumb to remember to include it in the bible) it is not your place to judge others. YOUR JOB, if you actually give a rats back side about the will of God, is to live as virtuous a life as possible. It is to be as loving and compassionate as you possibly can and to set an example. Your job is to be such a good person that others want to emulate you, thus leading them to God.

    You fail completely and totally at your job. Trust me, nobody wants to emulate you. We all recoil in horror from you. Anybody who reads your posts...especially your religious oriented posts, and actually believes that the garbage you spew is somehow related to the will or word of god WILL recoil in horror from both you and the God you dishonor.

    And until you document which Books/Passages of the Bible you are rejecting and which ones you are keeping, and your criteria for your selective editing, I see no reason to waste more time on you. Either put that up or go waste somebody else's time.
    ROTFLMAO. This is pathetic. I need to put up or waste somebody elses time? When are you going to put up, Easy?

    We have posted page after page here and you have failed to EVER provide one shred of evidence for any of your claims. You have posted countless C&Ps...usually plagiarizing them, and have absolutely refused to answer the simple questions that I have asked.

    Why did Peter think the dietary laws of the old testament still applied even after Jesus death if, as you claim, Jesus invalidated them?

    Why did the disciples and the apostles both specifically and directly condone slavery if Jesus thought it was wrong (I will not even ask why Jesus never, in his entire life, said it was wrong if he felt it was)?

    Why did Jesus specifically and unequivocally say that the old testament laws still applied if they did not?

    Why did God specifically and unequivocally say that he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for arrogance and failing to help the poor and needy if it was secretly all about gay sex (which frankly I think we have proven was not actually occurring at any point in the story)?

    None of these things are theological theories or vague ambiguous references or arguments. They are lifted directly from the bible, in full context, and without alteration. You cant answer these with vague "love your neighbor" answers or ridiculously complex explanations that do not make any sense. These were DIRECT statements and they require DIRECT refutation. None of the BS you have posted so far even TOUCHES any of these questions.

    I will tell you why I choose to "waste time" on you when our entire exchange over the last few days has pretty much consisted of you dodging and weaving and refusing to actually answer the above questions or even recognize that they are valid despite the fact that they unquestionably are.

    I have chosen to "waste time" on you because this is not just about some anonymous internet debate. This is about your soul. IF you approached God with an open heart and an open mind, you would have found that one of the lessons that the bible teaches us is that one of the things that REALLY ticks god off...ticks him off more than failing to help the sick and the poor, is when people consciously choose to oppose him. Seriously. This really angers him. Like wipe out entire races angry.

    It is also exactly what you are doing. You believe (and I think you truly do believe it...not just lip service) that the bible is the literal and divine word of god. You are also CHOOSING to directly oppose what is said there. You are choosing to directly oppose the words of Jesus. You are choosing to directly oppose the divinely inspired words of the disciples and apostles. You are literally choosing to directly oppose the direct word of GOD.

    The problem is that even though your position on the bible being the direct and literal word of good is completely and utterly foolish and you are wrong about it, IT DOES NOT MATTER. Another thing that is made crystal clear in the bible is that sin is committed in the mind and the heart, so if you believe the bible is the literal word of god and consciously CHOOSE to directly oppose what is clearly said there, including what is clearly said by GOD, then the sin has been committed whether your views on the bible are correct or not.

    That puts you in a bad spot, Easy. That puts you in a FAR worse spot than most atheists who do not believe in god, but try to live their lives as best they can. If they dont believe in god, they cannot oppose god. They can certainly oppose what men say about god, but that is nowhere NEAR the sin that believing in god and flipping him the bird is, which is pretty much what you have done.

    As the scripture you posted above points out, we are ALL dependent on gods grace and forgiveness for salvation, but you cannot spend your entire life literally choosing to directly oppose god and then think that everything is going to turn out well in the end. You cannot make the conscious decision to use his words to spread hate and anger and drive people away from god and expect it to work out well for you in the end.

    I cant judge you, easy, that is not my place. But someday god will, and I can tell you that according to the bible, people who make the choices that you do end up in hell.

    I think you DO believe in god. I think you DO believe that the bible is divinely inspired. You have to let go of the hate and pain and fear and anger in your heart because it is leading you down a terrible road. As unfair as it may seem, as a believer these things imperil you FAR more than they would an unbeliever. You don't have the benefit of an ignorance defense. One of the things the bible makes crystal clear is that crimes committed out of ignorance, even affronts to god, are excusable to him because he loves us and we are as children to him and you dont beat a child for doing something they did not know was wrong. To BELIEVE and still choose to oppose him is the greatest sin imaginable. Nothing else compares. You could have sex with every gay man on this board 3 times a day for the rest of your life and it would not compare to your choice to directly oppose God.

    You cant be afraid to let go of the hate and the anger and the fear and the pain and let god replace it with his love. Stop making the conscious decision to oppose the word of god and choose to live as he wants you to live. You have to make the conscious decision to choose to be the kind of man that people want to emulate, thus leading them to god, not driving them away.

    I refer you once again to Matthew 7:

    15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.
    What kind of fruits do you think you are sowing, Easy? When you make your religious oriented posts here, do you think that people feel gods love shining through you, or do you think they read your posts and come away feeling hate and anger? Do you think that when you intentionally cherry pick passages from the bible and then use them in a manner that completely outside their original context, do you think that draws people closer to god, or do you think it leads them away from him?

    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
    This is a direct warning, straight from jesus, that simply believing is not enough. It is a component, but not nearly enough on its own. It is also a direct warning to individuals that you can live your whole life claiming to, and even believing to, be acting in gods name and still be cast into the pit. This is what happens to those who sow bad fruit.

    That is why I am wasting time on you, Easy. Because you are smart enough to understand, but for some reason you are afraid to let go of all the trash and allow god to fill you with his love and make you his instrument. Why is that???
    If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. —Samuel Adams

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    You're lost, Daewoo.

    You can believe whatever you want. I stand by what I previously presented.

    But the Bible says the Law was a tutor to lead people to Christ. No one has ever kept the Law. Have you? Then what are you braying about?

    Unless you have Christ for the forgiveness of your sins you're eternally screwed. That's the final word. He's the one who kept the Law on our behalf. And he's the one who holds your salvation in the palm of his hand.

    Everyone has eternal life. But the unbelieving Christ-deniers will spend theirs in Hell, according to the Scriptures. It is a fearful thing that awaits them.

    “I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." - John 8:24

    “Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” - John 14:6


    “But unless you repent, you too will all perish.” - Luke 13:3

    WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAYS ABOUT HELL! "fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41 "everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41 "eternal damnation" Mark 3:29 "hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47 "damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47 "damnation of hell" Matt 23:33 "resurrection of damnation" John 5:29 "furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50 "the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45 "the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48 "Where their worm does not die" Mark 9:44, 46, 48 "wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50 "weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30 "torments" Luke 16:23 "tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24 "place of torment" Luke 16:28 "outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13 "everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46

    Jesus Christ gave a solemn warning in Matthew 7:21-23:

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. . . MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

    Repent! Today is still a day of salvation.
    “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” - Robert Jastrow

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    Educating Daewoo

    The Wise will understand this Parable:

    Parable of the Wedding Feast - Matthew 22:1-14

    2"The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come. 4"Then he sent some more servants and said, `Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.' 5"But they paid no attention and went off--one to his field, another to his business. 6The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8"Then he said to his servants, `The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.' 10So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests. 11"But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12`Friend,' he asked, `how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' The man was speechless. 13"Then the king told the attendants, `Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."

    In this Parable:
    1. The King = God the Father
    2. The Son = God the Son, Jesus Christ
    3. The first group that was invited = The Israelites who declined
    4. The second group that was invited = The Gentiles and those Jews who accepted
    5. The servants = those who preach the Gospel of Christ’s salvation

    Explanation of the Parable:

    God's chosen people, the Jews, were the first to receive the invitation to receive their Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of God whom they rejected. The Wedding / Gospel invitation was then given to others (the gentiles - note Romans 1:16, etc.). In short, everyone had received an invitation, but not everyone accepted the invitation.

    Note that the Book of Revelation describes a future marriage of the Lamb (Jesus - John 1:29) and His Bride (Revelation 19:7).

    The guest who was not arrayed in the proper wedding attire was one who had declined God’s gift of salvation and righteousness - a robe of righteousness that comes not from man, but from Christ/God only:

    Isaiah 61:10, “I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.”

    Note that in Genesis 15:6, this righteousness comes through faith in God: “Abram believed (had faith in) the Lord, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Also note Ephesians 2:8-9 in the New Testament.

    Believers are covered with God’s garment of righteousness / salvation. When God looks at the repentant sinner He does not see the filthy attire of sin, but the robe of righteousness obtained by Christ's perfect obedience to the law. There are none righteous apart from this God-given righteousness. A perfect example that this righteousness is not obtained by man’s own inherent “goodness” is found in Zechariah chapter 3:

    3 Now Joshua was dressed in filthy clothes as he stood before the angel. 4 The angel said to those who were standing before him, "Take off his filthy clothes." Then he said to Joshua, "See, I have taken away your sin, and I will put rich garments on you."

    Filthy clothes = sin in the above scripture, while a robe of righteousness = a garment of salvation in Isaiah 61:10.

    From the New Testament we find:

    Romans 13:14 - “Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ...”
    Philippians 3:9 - “..not having a righteousness of my own that comes from (keeping ) the law, but that which is through faith in Christ...”

    Also note that in Matthew 22:10 - “...the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.”

    Here we see the illustration of those gathered off the streets - people who may well have not been able to afford special wedding garments on such short notice. Also note that those gathered were both “good and bad,” so that the invitation was not based on works alone, otherwise just the “good” would have been invited. So the wedding garments - the garments of salvation - were God’s gift to those who accepted the invitation to the Son’s (Christ’s) wedding to his bride - his church of true believers.

    In the end, those without the God / Christ-given robe of righteousness / salvation were cast into the outer darkness, where there is weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

    “For many are invited, but few are chosen.” Matthew 22:14

    Repent, Daewoo, and receive Christ as your Lord God and Resurrected Savior for the remission of your sins.
    “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” - Robert Jastrow

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    I need to repent, but you are the one who is standing in direct opposition to the bible? You are the one who is calling Jesus and his disciples a liar and god an idiot, but somehow I am the one who needs to "wise up" and repent?

    You cant "stand by what you have presented" because NONE of it answers the 4 simple questions I asked.. At this point to say "I stand by what I presented" is an admission that you are choosing to believe things that the bible CLEARLY says are untrue.

    How can you expect ANYBODY to take ANYTHING you say about religion seriously after this? How can you lecture about faith when you have none? How can you lecture about repentence when you refuse to repent even when you are clearly and without question wrong? You have no authority on these issues, Easy. Anybody would be a fool to listen to you, it would be like taking marriage counseling from an divorce lawyer.

    Why did Peter think the dietary laws of the old testament still applied even after Jesus death if, as you claim, Jesus invalidated them?

    Why did the disciples and the apostles both specifically and directly condone slavery if Jesus thought it was wrong (I will not even ask why Jesus never, in his entire life, said it was wrong if he felt it was)?

    Why did Jesus specifically and unequivocally say that the old testament laws still applied if they did not?

    Why did God specifically and unequivocally say that he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for arrogance and failing to help the poor and needy if it was secretly all about gay sex (which frankly I think we have proven was not actually occurring at any point in the story)?
    If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. —Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyrider View Post
    Harry Reid, Obama, Nanci Pelosi, and all the other left wing radicals who keep pushing their failed "Redistribution of Wealth" schemes need to read their Bibles for a change. Just like abortion and gay marriage, they are stiff-necked heathens at odds with what the Bible teaches.

    Obama vs. the Bible – Redistribution of Wealth The Righter Report

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    Um, I don't think you and this Rabbi Zero guy have the 'nads to take on Jim Wallis.
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