Apparently a number of these are starting to appear. We need to caterogize them.

WWII: usually used by a American when they are losing a debate. Usually it goes along the lines of "without the US, you would be speaking German" in a argument dealing with how the US invasion of Iraq rationalization fell though. The appeal has virtually no standing with the subject in mind but is a distraction away from the losing battle.

Holocaust: Usually used by a Jew, particurarly Israelis to justify just about anything they or their country does. It's even been used in discussion about how the wall is wrong and how peace should be conducted. Similar to the WWII fallacy, it is merely a distractionary tool to change the subject away from the losing battle.

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I note that you typed this in english...because America saved the w3rld ya know. Otherwise, you'd have typed that is some godless heathen language (tm).

You anti-semite, don't you know that that's a straw man?

[/sarcasm]

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How about the faith in god fall back? That seems to eventually appear in nearly every thread when a poster runs out of rationalizations.

Godfaith: noun, substituted for rational point in discussions. Synonym, christfaith.

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Something I did on another forum, was I formed a gentle ribbing relationship with someone from the " other side of the aisle". When we debate, we debate in good fun, but we also have our skirmishes, and will for a long time to come. But, he lives in the part of the country I grew-up in, and we have a sense od respect for one another. When we go to the board, we also employ that same respect, even though we aren't debating one another. I have found I debate better, when I keep him in the back of my mind, and I wouldn't speak to others from his party, because that would be like speaking harshly to him.

Or you could just be polite to people regardless.

To be fair, if someone is prepared to accept that their faith stands outside of reason, I don't see how that can be criticized. However, if it really is a case of 'running out of rationalizations' then the debate has forced them to confront the fact that a particular belief is not founded outside of God.

BTW, is the Godfaith thing from 1984 or just a take-off? I don't remember it..

And that sense of politeness is always kept in check, because of my rival from the "other side of the aisle." I think of him and how hurtful words can be when I debate those "from the other side of the aisle."

Don't know. I just made it up in the context of the thread.

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More synonyms: One True Faith (tm).

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