Are you dense sonny? Why repeat your questions to me rather than respond to my post which is an answer to the last time you asked the same questions of me? What is your major malfunction sonny boy?

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If god made human from dirt, how come there are still dirt around? ~ [obvious_child]

You know what, Archie is right. Evolution is a total scam. ~ [obvious_child]

If the universe were not as it is, it would be different. ~ [Penfold]

A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it destroys itself from within. ~ Durant

You are melting down I see. All the answer that's needed.

Am I frustrated once again from attempting to actually have a rational discourse with the likes of you and your ilk? Absolutely. But I don't melt down, I place ignorant schmucks on ignore so I never have to deal with their double speak and hypocrisy again. And you are very close to meeting the same end. So keep up the sarcasm rather than attempting to have a thoughtful debate, see what it gets you in the end.

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If god made human from dirt, how come there are still dirt around? ~ [obvious_child]

You know what, Archie is right. Evolution is a total scam. ~ [obvious_child]

If the universe were not as it is, it would be different. ~ [Penfold]

A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it destroys itself from within. ~ Durant

Eh. That's pretty much par for Archie. He lacks basic reading comprehension skills (in addition to many other skills you'd expect from a normal person).

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"You are, of course, free to make your own calls on how much rationality you want to impose upon yourself." - Kronus

Is that a lie?

No. Lying requires one to pass off as the truth something they know to be false. If you truly believe that what you say is the truth, you cannot be lying. Hence whenever Archie passes off some completely insane argument against evolution/ for YEC, he's not a liar because he thinks what he's saying is true despite it being horribly, horribly wrong. Just recently he argued that the Coelacanth was the same species in the fossils despite being informed of his wrongness months ago. Was he lying? No. Because his belief is what he think is correct, independent of what reality states. While this is a clear sign of mental illness, it does not equate to lying.

In the same fashion, if the author believed what he was saying as the truth, he cannot be lying.

Now, those who want to attack my argument, you are treading on thin ice as your attack on my argument makes Bush a liar about Iraq.

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"You are, of course, free to make your own calls on how much rationality you want to impose upon yourself." - Kronus

Careful or you'll feel the wrath of JP. I now have the power to edit your posts into obscurity.

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I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

Seriously? We both know he lacks the basic capacity to understand significant parts of the written English language. I did enjoy watching Archie get his *** handed to him over at EvC though. Nothing more amusing then watching Archie try to argue mistakes most people never heard of were frauds.

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"You are, of course, free to make your own calls on how much rationality you want to impose upon yourself." - Kronus

Interesting how deluded this poster is in his belief that I got anything handed to me when it required the full force of the best evolutionists on EvC to gang up on me to the tune of at least 10 to 1. As evidence of the debate I started there, and that like always these evolutionists never deal directly with what is posted but must always change the subject and ignore the specific arguments offered up, here is the link so anyone who cares to can read it for themselves. And most importantly note that obvious child contributed absolutely nothing substantial throughout the whole debate. He reminded me of a scared little straggler kid who followed the big kids around and popped in every 50 or 60 posts from behind one of the participating adult evolutionists and attempted to throw a childish jab before running away and hiding again. Here, see for yourself. You can click on only his posts and see specifically how and where they fit into the debate. Just as you can click on mine and read my arguments. EvC Forum: EVOLUTION'S FRAUD HAS CONTRIBUTED TO ITS PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE:

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If god made human from dirt, how come there are still dirt around? ~ [obvious_child]

You know what, Archie is right. Evolution is a total scam. ~ [obvious_child]

If the universe were not as it is, it would be different. ~ [Penfold]

A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it destroys itself from within. ~ Durant

Generally, self respecting people don't post links to threads which show themselves to be utter fools.

By all means, people should read that thread. I know a few people here already have.

Geological Question

And it doesn't matter how many people post against you. When you do not determine the difference between the words "Fraud" and "Mistake" despite having dictionary definitions provided to you, you got a real problem independent of everyone else.

But for kicks and giggles, here are some quotes replying to Archie

"You're funny to the point of pathos.

I hate to have to tell you this, but you would make a fine case study in abnormal psychology.

Your elaborate belief system is impervious to logic, reason, and massive amounts of evidence that shows you are wrong.

That may seem fine to you, but that puts you so far out on the fringe that you couldn't see your way back to the mainstream with the Hubble.

I'm not going to engage you any longer on this thread. You have shown that you're not listening to anything we are saying, you're just repeating the details of your anti-science and anti-realism--and totally mythical--belief system. That those details have been explained to you as false has made no impact on you.

Your mind is truly closed, and I won't waste your time or mine with further evidence.

But you do have my pity." - Coyote


"Archy had no "arguments" that stood up to even a cursory examination.

His inability to even get one (Orce man) of those arguments to stick led to an even heavier drubbing from RAZD to merely hulk in shadow, unused.

I personally wish we could have got beyond the first example, because the next salvo would've been a doozy.

No fraud. case closed. " - greyseal

This quote is too long to post, but nicely sums up your (as usual) epic failures:
EvC Forum: EVOLUTION'S FRAUD HAS CONTRIBUTED TO ITS PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE:

(notice you don't even reply to it, you just flee)

I see you are abandoning that site. Does your rear hurt too much from that *ss kicking?

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"You are, of course, free to make your own calls on how much rationality you want to impose upon yourself." - Kronus

Then my question for you is, why are you posting here or at EvC at all? Because all you do is embarrass yourself with the shallow and dishonest drivel you spew.

This is what is so dishonest about you proponents of the big lie of evo. You think because evo only forwarded the erroneous evidence which was later proven to be false, but they didn't own the publications which published the stories all around the world, then evolution science itself is innocent of propagating the fraud it represents. This is another manipulation of the facts as they exist. You fail to appreciate that its the press releases by these evolutionists which put this false info out in the first place.

Especially since when the fraud was discovered, this pseudo science just quietly shuffled it to the back page while never fully acknowledging the fraud as loudly as they originally presented it as the next great leap forward in evolutionary discoveries for worldwide dissemination.

Thankyou for once again proving my point that most all of what the opposition offered for the most part was off topic insults and shallow lip service which didn't even attempt to refute my position, but simply revealed that they were only capable of attacking me. How apropos that you should absolutely prove my point as further evidence of how clueless you are to what defines a debate with actual content rather than a gang bang by a bunch of empty suits. http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.c...on=msg&t=13706
Really? Are you saying that I fled the debate after that post and never responded to it again, at all? Is that the lie you're attempting to promote now? And are you also saying that I never dealt with any of the points RAZD made in that post anywhere down the line? Remember child, the link is there for all to see so your lies have no weight.

Again, REALLY? Must I post according to your schedule in order to maintain an acceptable presence there? How long must I suffer the same denials of reality from the same cultists before I have proven that those deniers of reality are no more capable of honestly dealing with my questions regarding the inconsistencies of evolution science over there than you are, here.

You originally threatened that I was incapable of standing up to their scrutiny at EvC, I went there and proved you wrong by starting a thread that has gone on for over 300 posts. You also said I would get banned in short order when it was your fellow evos who got banned for attacking me due to their inability to respond on topic to my thread premise. At every turn I have proven you're a schmuck who can only pat yourself on the back because nobody else will based on anything you contribute. Talk about constantly failing epically, you define the label epic failure. And this post which proves every accusation I have made about the boys at EvC just confirms that.

Especially since you offered nothing substantial at all when you claim to be a rational and informed evolutionist. Then why didn't you take the opportunity to pummel me when you had the chance over there and take the lead in humbling me? I'll tell you why little child, because you're a sanctimonious little punk who doesn't have the guts or the knowledge to answer any of my questions which reveal the shortcomings of evolutionist claims.

So you do the next best thing as the coward you are and attempt to claim some victory on the backs of others who did at least dare to confront my arguments, as shallow as they were. Go away little child, and come back when you grow up. At this point you're not worthy of my time as an equal on this or any adult debate forum.

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If god made human from dirt, how come there are still dirt around? ~ [obvious_child]

You know what, Archie is right. Evolution is a total scam. ~ [obvious_child]

If the universe were not as it is, it would be different. ~ [Penfold]

A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it destroys itself from within. ~ Durant

This is not the place to hurl invectives at each other. I wasn't the moderator when this thread was started, but it doesn't belong in a "debating techniques and styles" forum.
Now, I can either move the entire thread to another forum, ask that you remain on topic or close the thread.
I'll leave it open for now and see what happens.

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I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

I've said my piece. Shut the child up "if you can" and all will be well at 4forums.

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If god made human from dirt, how come there are still dirt around? ~ [obvious_child]

You know what, Archie is right. Evolution is a total scam. ~ [obvious_child]

If the universe were not as it is, it would be different. ~ [Penfold]

A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it destroys itself from within. ~ Durant

Do we really need more evidence that archie has a reading disability?

What happened to the original admin?

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"You are, of course, free to make your own calls on how much rationality you want to impose upon yourself." - Kronus

He's still here. I used to have mod authority in this forum along with Billsco, but was away for a while and lost it. Since it appears that there's some interest again in formal debates, I offered to take over for Billsco, who appears to be AWOL and the admin was kind enough to oblige.
I only mentioned about your banter with AA because this isn't the right forum for it.

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I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

He also diluted the credence of all the many other somewhat unbelievable holocaust legends.