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    Current system or National Healthcare

    I would like a challenger to debate with me whether we should improve our current system in the united on healthcare or switch to national healthcare.
    I am on everyday and would like to be a regular debater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44j View Post
    I would like a challenger to debate with me whether we should improve our current system in the united on healthcare or switch to national healthcare.
    I am on everyday and would like to be a regular debater.
    Which position do you want? I might be interested.

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    "Improving the current system" is a vague concept. I think there are certain objectives the system should meet, such as

    1) It should not reject people for pre-existing conditions
    2) It should not drop people when they get ill (if it does then the system is basicall dysfunctional.)
    3) It should subsidize healthacare for those who are not able to pay without first bancrupting them
    4) It should encourage preventive healthcare
    5) It should be cost-effective.
    6) There may be more

    I am for any system that satisfies these objectives. What does it matter if it is called "improved system" or "national system"? The question needs to be framed in terms of objectives, not labels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modulus View Post
    "Improving the current system" is a vague concept. I think there are certain objectives the system should meet, such as

    1) It should not reject people for pre-existing conditions OK2) It should not drop people when they get ill (if it does then the system is basicall dysfunctional.)OK
    3) It should subsidize healthacare for those who are not able to pay without first bancrupting themNot OK. Should the rest of the population have to go bankrupt in order to prevent an individual from doing so?
    4) It should encourage preventive healthcare OK
    5) It should be cost-effective.OK
    6) There may be more

    I am for any system that satisfies these objectives. What does it matter if it is called "improved system" or "national system"? The question needs to be framed in terms of objectives, not labels.
    You missed a few. Here are some more reforms needed.

    1. Tort Reform. Make speculative lawsuits expensive for the party suing. That will help curtail frivilous lawsuits paid for by a % of potential award basis.
    2. A national set of healthcare guidelines that, if followed, absolve a doctor/hospital from liability.
    3. A national prescription drug protocol that puts the FDA in charge of drug evaluations and once approved, absolves big pharma from future liability.

    One of the biggest costs in medicine is defensive or CYA medicine. By establishing governmentally-approved guidelines, we can remove a huge cost that providers pay via high insurance rates, etc., that are currently passed on to patients in the form of high drug prices, high hospital charges and expensive doctor visit bills.

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    Talking More Thoughts

    I was thinking more along the lines of reducing wasteful spending in our current system. My position is to improve upon our own. The government has clearly shown us they cannot run healthcare for us. One question is:

    Do insurance companies only reject people because of a preexisting condition, only because they are afraid that person will become ill to easily causing the company to spend more money? If so, then the responsible solution is to fire the CEO'S that rake in big bucks at the expense of the consumer, and replace them with responsible ones with actual common sense.

    So you are right, (sorry for not being very specific) however there are so many ways we could repair our system now. Starting with your ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 44j View Post
    I was thinking more along the lines of reducing wasteful spending in our current system. My position is to improve upon our own. The government has clearly shown us they cannot run healthcare for us. One question is:

    Do insurance companies only reject people because of a preexisting condition, only because they are afraid that person will become ill to easily causing the company to spend more money? If so, then the responsible solution is to fire the CEO'S that rake in big bucks at the expense of the consumer, and replace them with responsible ones with actual common sense.

    So you are right, (sorry for not being very specific) however there are so many ways we could repair our system now. Starting with your ideas.
    Any CEO that doesn't act in the best interests of the shareholders is guilty of violating his fiduciary responsibility, which is a crime, IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44j View Post
    I would like a challenger to debate with me whether we should improve our current system in the united on healthcare or switch to national healthcare.
    I am on everyday and would like to be a regular debater.
    I think that any government sponsored health care should be the back up system; the vetrans administration, medicare, medicaid, are all government sponsored and do quite well in the over all. No person in the US should be without healthcare. A government system can only apply - market pressure - to the existing system to cause that system to imrpove itself and flush out a new market.

    The existing system is a monopoly that has fixed healthcare in this country by gouging and should be overturned.
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