Originally Posted by Ethmi

Kim Jong-il is a communist, you know.

STRAWMAN ALERT!!!

The comment was a response to your absurdity that the Cuban regime is the most dictatorial on earth.

BTW, Kim is not a communist, he is a statist with himself at the top, just as all the others are.

The label is meaningless; the activity is what counts.

North Korea is a Communist state but his leader is not Communist?

this is like saying that the Pope is not Catholic.

North Korea (08/08)

Originally Posted by Collin

Ethmi, we agree on virtually nothing when it comes to politics and religion, but it's not hard to see that you've destroyed the opposition in this debate. The very fact that Resist Arrest refuses to admit the atrocities committed by communist dictators were as unjustifiable as atrocities committed by other dictators is all one needs to observe. The credibility of both Resist Arrest and his arguments was in the toilet far before he dismissed everything you said based off of a single ad-hom, but that moment sealed the coffin. I wouldn't waste anymore of your time with him.

How he can justify the killing of millions by comparing them to "old regime" is beyond belief. Regardless of who does it, killing is killing. Lenin and his cohorts could have just let all those people live, he even could have let the Royal family live, at least by exiling them or something less extreme, instead he had them executed. Why? It's obvious that he wanted complete and utter control. American "interventionism" had nothing to do with that! Also, Chester, Kim Jong-Il is no different than Lenin. The nation he controls still practices communist beliefs as does Cuba. The term "statist" covers, IMHO, a wide variety of type of ideals from Nazism, Nationalism to Communism.

Originally Posted by Charliegone

Also, Chester, Kim Jong-Il is no different than Lenin. The nation he controls still practices communist beliefs as does Cuba. The term "statist" covers, IMHO, a wide variety of type of ideals from Nazism, Nationalism to Communism.

Exactly so.

Marx would whirl in his grave if he were to see the likes of the three statists you list called "Communists."

Communism is the antithesis of statism. Lenin perverted the writings of Marx and Engels to his own ends.

But you probably knew that.

Whether or not the state is truly communist isn't what matters. Apparently, the states have been communistic enough for the tastes of Resist Arrest -- they're communistic enough that he's perfectly fine watching these states murder millions of people. I would in fact grant that no leader of any communist state has ever been a true communist. They're all clearly monomaniacal tyrants.

North Korea is a Communist state but his leader is not Communist?

this is like saying that the Pope is not Catholic.

So? A non-Catholic pope is perfectly plausible, but that's another matter. It's easy for leaders to control a group of people who practice one form of government even though the leader himself may not believe in that form of government. If I were a king, I would get up every day and shake my head at the ludicrousness of feudalism even if everyone beneath me strolled about their day praising the system. I'd say that religious figures pull that stunt just as much as if not more than leaders of government.

Originally Posted by Charliegone

How he can justify the killing of millions by comparing them to "old regime" is beyond belief. Regardless of who does it, killing is killing. Lenin and his cohorts could have just let all those people live, he even could have let the Royal family live, at least by exiling them or something less extreme, instead he had them executed. Why? It's obvious that he wanted complete and utter control. American "interventionism" had nothing to do with that! Also, Chester, Kim Jong-Il is no different than Lenin. The nation he controls still practices communist beliefs as does Cuba. The term "statist" covers, IMHO, a wide variety of type of ideals from Nazism, Nationalism to Communism.

More reflections from the golden-eye of your rump! You're a lunatic.

I'm not convinced Resist Arrest is serious. That latest post was about as empty of logic and substance as a post can get -- likely purposefully so. It's easy to see the amusement in calling someone a lunatic while spouting lunacy at the same time and hoping the irony will be lost on the reader. It amusing, at least, for someone with too much time on their hands.

Originally Posted by Collin

Whether or not the state is truly communist isn't what matters. Apparently, the states have been communistic enough for the tastes of Resist Arrest -- they're communistic enough that he's perfectly fine watching these states murder millions of people. I would in fact grant that no leader of any communist state has ever been a true communist. They're all clearly monomaniacal tyrants.

This is a trait shared by all monomaniacal tyrants, regardless of whether or not they call themselves Communists.

Pinochet of Chile serves as one example; Mugabe is another one.

Originally Posted by chester

This is a trait shared by all monomaniacal tyrants, regardless of whether or not they call themselves Communists.

Pinochet of Chile serves as one example; Mugabe is another one.

Well, yes -- just as we noted on the first page of the thread.

Originally Posted by Collin

Whether or not the state is truly communist isn't what matters. Apparently, the states have been communistic enough for the tastes of Resist Arrest -- they're communistic enough that he's perfectly fine watching these states murder millions of people. I would in fact grant that no leader of any communist state has ever been a true communist. They're all clearly monomaniacal tyrants.



So? A non-Catholic pope is perfectly plausible, but that's another matter. It's easy for leaders to control a group of people who practice one form of government even though the leader himself may not believe in that form of government. If I were a king, I would get up every day and shake my head at the ludicrousness of feudalism even if everyone beneath me strolled about their day praising the system. I'd say that religious figures pull that stunt just as much as if not more than leaders of government.

A non-Catholic Pope perfectly plausible?

I don't deny that some Communist leaders were/are tyrants but it doesn't mean that they were/are ideology free.

Resist Arrest is surely posting from North Korea or maybe that sunny socialist paradise Cuba? so he knows what he is talking about.

I am sure he doesn't live in the country he hates so much the USA?

But if this is the case, then he is just like the Communists in Chile, while Allende was in power all they did was insult the US, the moment Allende's governement fell they fled to ... The Soviet Union, Cuba, the Eastern Block? nahhhh... they fled to the USA.

But I believe in free speech and have confidence that most people know better than to fall for the ideology RR and others of his ideological ilk spouse. In Chile the only country in the world where a marxist coalition was democratically elected, it did not achieve a majority and only with the support of the Christian Democrats formed government.

so resist arrest's c-r-a-p will never change anything and he will not be arrested, for the USA is not Cuba, China or North Korea, those bastions of 'free speech'


RR can keep on biting the hand that feeds him, not even dogs do that , IF he resides in the USA? but surely he does not, right?

Originally Posted by chester

This is a trait shared by all monomaniacal tyrants, regardless of whether or not they call themselves Communists.

Pinochet of Chile serves as one example; Mugabe is another one.

Nobody starved under Pinochet and he called a plebiscite asking if the people of Chile wanted him to continue governing Chile or not in 1989.
The answer was no, and he submitted to the will of the people and resigned. "

I was in Chile the day of the plebiscite and when the results were announced
there were joyous celebrations.

The Armed Forces saved Chile of becoming another Cuba and under Pinochet the country prospered thanks to sound economic management by the so called "Chicago boys

YouTube - CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup made in America"Pt 1

YouTube - CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup: Made in America"Pt 2

YouTube - CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup: Made in America"Pt 3

YouTube - CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup: Made in America"Pt 4

Originally Posted by resist arrest

YouTube - CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup made in America"Pt 1

YouTube - CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup: Made in America"Pt 2

YouTube - CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup: Made in America"Pt 3

YouTube - CIA coup of 1954 from the doc.,"A Coup: Made in America"Pt 4

You say I'm an elitist and lunatic, probably suggesting the USA is even, but the fact remains, these so called "Communist Revolutions" were nothing more but power grabs by extremists to control the population. My grandfather was a business owner in El Salvador. He wasn't born into privilege or anything, he worked hard to earn what he had. He had a total of 3 business all of which he personally strived to make bigger. When the so called "revolution" began his name was added to the long lists of people who had any tie with the government (my grandfather owned a driving school who provided certain services to the people.) He was constantly harassed to do as they say or else. It came the point where he began receiving death threats and finally a price on his head. What did he do wrong? He did NOTHING wrong, but to these so called revolutionaries basically being a business owner was enough to put a death warrant on his head. Luckily he was given asylum to the USA and he left everything he had worked hard to earn. Other people in my family were not so lucky. Some who had sympathized with the communists but later changed their minds because they saw truly what these "revolutionaries" truly stood for were tortured and killed. At least in the USA you can express your opinion and not be shot or tortured. At least here you don't have to worry about your life being hell because some guy things all business owners are evil in some way. Maybe Marx did not intend for communism to do this, but the ideas he portrayed simply made it easier for people like Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Pol Pot to gain control and ruin the lives of people.

Originally Posted by Charliegone

You say I'm an elitist and lunatic, probably suggesting the USA is even, but the fact remains, these so called "Communist Revolutions" were nothing more but power grabs by extremists to control the population. My grandfather was a business owner in El Salvador. He wasn't born into privilege or anything, he worked hard to earn what he had. He had a total of 3 business all of which he personally strived to make bigger. When the so called "revolution" began his name was added to the long lists of people who had any tie with the government (my grandfather owned a driving school who provided certain services to the people.) He was constantly harassed to do as they say or else. It came the point where he began receiving death threats and finally a price on his head. What did he do wrong? He did NOTHING wrong, but to these so called revolutionaries basically being a business owner was enough to put a death warrant on his head. Luckily he was given asylum to the USA and he left everything he had worked hard to earn. Other people in my family were not so lucky. Some who had sympathized with the communists but later changed their minds because they saw truly what these "revolutionaries" truly stood for were tortured and killed. At least in the USA you can express your opinion and not be shot or tortured. At least here you don't have to worry about your life being hell because some guy things all business owners are evil in some way. Maybe Marx did not intend for communism to do this, but the ideas he portrayed simply made it easier for people like Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Pol Pot to gain control and ruin the lives of people.

So what is underlying your logic? That the left should turn over and die because your slave-driving grandfather was forced out of the country by the guerrillas?

Question: How many Americans were driven into exile in the Revolutionary period 1776-1783?

Answer: Out of a population of 4 million whites 100,000 left for Cananda, England, and the West Indies. They went abroad bearing tales of the godless, barbaric revolutionaries who confiscated their property, tar and feathered and murdered their kinsmen. Those
who remained and refused to take an oath of allegiance to the new state governments were denied virtually all civil liberties. After the American Civil War, thousands more fled to South America and other points, again disturbed by the social upheaval. How much more is such an exodus to be expected following the Cuban Revolution? -- a true social revolution, giving rise to changes much more profound than anything in the American experience. How many more would have left the United States if 90 miles away lay the world's wealthiest nation welcoming their residence and promising all manner of benefits and rewards? How much more has Cuba the right to punish its traitors who are collaborating with the empire 90 miles away?

Why Socialism? By Albert Einstein

Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II