Ahh yes. Killing someone for killing someone else. Quite logical, especially when it's totally unnecessary. What a price to pay, what a price to pay.

Originally Posted by Tigerlilly

Ahh yes. Killing someone for killing someone else. Quite logical, especially when it's totally unnecessary. What a price to pay, what a price to pay.

So, what do you propose we do with such people? (murderers, and such.) Rehabilitate? How? I worked in a prison for several years and our population stayed at about 70% repeat offenders.

So, what do you propose we do with such people? (murderers, and such.) Rehabilitate? How? I worked in a prison for several years and our population stayed at about 70% repeat offenders.

1. Keep them in prison
2. Work them.
3. Rehabilitation, as of yet, isn't an option,but it can be due to technological advances. Killing them does nothing and has little moral basis.

please describe to me why it's moral to kill them without using Lex Talionis?

Originally Posted by Tigerlilly

1. Keep them in prison
2. Work them.
3. Rehabilitation, as of yet, isn't an option,but it can be due to technological advances. Killing them does nothing and has little moral basis.

please describe to me why it's moral to kill them without using Lex Talionis?

Would you feel the same way if someone close to you was murdered?
Just an honest question...

Would you feel the same way if someone close to you was murdered?
Just an honest question...

No. I wouldn't, but that's what equal and blind justice is for. It circumvents emotions which grip you at the time. When I got rational again, I would feel the same way, because morality works regardless of your mental state or feelings. Utility must be served for the greater good of society.

I would feel no better knowning that someone else died or that their labour was wasted. I wouldn't feel good about their families either.

what? work those ****s till they're less than worthless, then kill them or let them kill themselves.

Not to mention it's more expensive to kill them then to feed them and keep them in prison for life.

Originally Posted by zachvac

Not to mention it's more expensive to kill them then to feed them and keep them in prison for life.

Not so. If you consider the entire process related to capital punishment, you may be correct. The system costs more. However, after a conviction, it is much cheaper to carry out the imposed sentence than it is to keep the bastard alive.

The fishes of the sea would be happy to see my proposed methods of execution and disposal inacted.

$250.00 per head. Group rates available.

There's plenty of things they could be doing like rebuilding homes for those the tsunami victims. It's cheap labor.

Originally Posted by Tigerlilly

No. I wouldn't, but that's what equal and blind justice is for. It circumvents emotions which grip you at the time. When I got rational again, I would feel the same way, because morality works regardless of your mental state or feelings. Utility must be served for the greater good of society.

I guess after 24 years I still have not regained my rationality
Still a hard choice for me, but I am too close to it, therefore I fear I will never have a solid opinion either way.

Originally Posted by jim's trucking

Not so. If you consider the entire process related to capital punishment, you may be correct. The system costs more. However, after a conviction, it is much cheaper to carry out the imposed sentence than it is to keep the bastard alive.

The fishes of the sea would be happy to see my proposed methods of execution and disposal inacted.

$250.00 per head. Group rates available.

Legal appeals using public money for private counsel is what drives the costs far above simple incarceration.

$250 sounds low, but volume could offset it. Not being an idealist supporting utilitarian viewpoints also makes me see very controllable innocents refunds, reducing that reserve commitment. Assuming few distinguished members of the bar would do pro bono appeals work, the reserve could most likely be taken into income for purposes of year-end performance bonuses. I like efficiency and this sounds almost as good as George Carlin's plan to use Kansas as a penal state. Fencing it, turning all prisoners loose with automatic weapons and televising it on pay-per-view would easily bail our judicial system out of the current morass of appeals, eliminate prison costs, and turn a substantial profit for highway construction. With either plan we could import prisoners from other nations to satisfy federal equal rights and ethnic diversity compliance issues.

Originally Posted by jim's trucking

Not so. If you consider the entire process related to capital punishment, you may be correct. The system costs more. However, after a conviction, it is much cheaper to carry out the imposed sentence than it is to keep the bastard alive.

The fishes of the sea would be happy to see my proposed methods of execution and disposal inacted.

$250.00 per head. Group rates available.

But most of the money comes with the appeals. Are we just not going to give them an appeal? One bad judge/jury and you get killed? I'm not sure about the cost of the actual killing, but we really can't cut down on the major cost.

Originally Posted by zachvac

But most of the money comes with the appeals. Are we just not going to give them an appeal? One bad judge/jury and you get killed? I'm not sure about the cost of the actual killing, but we really can't cut down on the major cost.

If Carlin's plan was adopted, perhaps the innocents would overcome the guilty and survive. or, my politicians are telling me the end justifies the means, so perhaps, like them, we could sacrifice innocents for the overall plan.

Originally Posted by georged

If Carlin's plan was adopted, perhaps the innocents would overcome the guilty and survive. or, my politicians are telling me the end justifies the means, so perhaps, like them, we could sacrifice innocents for the overall plan.

Being from kansas, if Carlins plan will lead to less government intervention (and the cost of that intervention) we are all for it.

The rest of the coutnry might want to re-think the plan, though. We will quickly turn those convicts into cheap labor. Without governemtn programs sucking up every penny that isn't nailed down, and our portion of programs like the Iraqi war and the war on terror being paid by others, we should be able to surpass the US in economic growth in less than 10 years.

Be warned, we in kansas generally support strict immigration policies, so no fair coming here after we have gotten everything set up.