I don't think so. I know a kid named Eric Booher. He was smoking pot with a bunch of friends. Then it went through one of their stupid intoxicated heads to set him on fire just for fun. The kid suffered severe 3rd degree burns, and was hospitalized for a long time. As for medical uses, well, I think we should stick to morphine. While it may be more addictive, It's harder to find outside of a hospital. I know a reporter who went to a drug rehab center, and interviewed quite a few recovering drug addicts, and just talked to even more. Every singe one of them said they started on Marijuana. So much for people saying that weed doesn't lead to a drug addiction. And as for people who say that marijuana isn't as bad for the lungs as tobacco: it will be if we legalize it. Farmers will start producing it in mass quantities. Soon, they'll want more money, and start spraying their plants with pesticides, just like tobacco farmers do. Pesticides are what make tobacco so unhealthy, and it will do that same thing with Weed.

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Misinformation thy name is Ethmi.

• It would be astonishingly unlikely that marijuana intoxication alone would cause that behavior.
• First-degree burns are the mildest (sunburn is an example) and no one gets hospitalized for those.
• The medical uses of marijuana are unrelated to the medical uses of morphine; it makes no sense to compare them.
• Probably all recovering drug addicts have drunk alcohol or smoked cigarettes as well. Are they also to be implicated?
• Not all marijuana use leads to addiction. Your observation of addicts only is selecting for addicts who tend to use drugs in general.
• The quantitites of marijuana that farmers grow has no effect on its lung toxicity.
• Smoking tobacco is quite unhealthy even without pesticides.

Do you even know how to say anything that isn't dumb?

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Ah, I always get 'em mixed up.

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• I'm sure you've been high on marijuana before. And when you're high, you're too ignorant and doped up to know that it's the marijuana that's making you act like a #####.
  
  
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  The medical uses of marijuana are unrelated to the medical uses of morphine; it makes no sense to compare them.

  That's right. In America, marijuana HAS NO MEDICAL USES. It is completely illegal, and I'd prefer to keep it that way.
  
  
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  Probably all recovering drug addicts have drunk alcohol or smoked cigarettes as well. Are they also to be implicated?

  The first illegal drug they used was usually marijuana. Alchohol and cigarettes are not illegal, because their effects aren't as sever as marijuana.
  
  
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  Not all marijuana use leads to addiction. Your observation of addicts only is selecting for addicts who tend to use drugs in general.

  Wow. It's quite a coincidence that the reporter just happened to choose almost everyone in the rehab center.
  
  
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  The quantitites of marijuana that farmers grow has no effect on its lung toxicity.

  But once they use pesticides it will.
  
  
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  Smoking tobacco is quite unhealthy even without pesticides.

Oh, really? Does that mean that pesticides will be OK on marijuana plants? NO.

Do you? Ha! For that matter, you're so doped up that you posted and forgot to vote!

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You clearly don't understand the effects different drugs. Comment on something you understand. If there is anything.

There may be legal pharmaceuticals that are more effective than marijuana for certain indications, but there are some conditions for which marijuana clearly does have benefit. Whether used in America or whether it's legal is irrelevant. And none of this has anything to do with morphine, to which YOU compared it.

Legality does not affect addictive qualities. Alcohol and tobacco are much more addictive whan marijuana. There is dooubt that there is such a thing as a "gateway" drug anyway. Those that are predisposed to addiction will use lots of stuff. It does not follow logically that if use of marijuana preceded cocaine addiction that the latter addiction is related causally to the former marijuana use.

Not a coincidence, just a stupid population to look at to understand whether marijuana does or does not lead to "harder" drugs. And the word of some guy you heard about is how you draw conclusions?


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No it means tobacco is unhealthy with or without pesticides.

Good one!!

Ethmi,

Each of your responses demonstrates you missed each point. You are batting 1000 there, fella.

If you are this close-minded, impervious to logic and show this much delight in ignorance at your tender age, can you imagine how (much more) insufferable you'll be when you grow up?

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And I'm guessing by your misinformed posts that you have not been high before. Did you recently watch a film called Reefer Madness by any chance?

Uh...actually it does. Just because it is currently against federal law to buy, sell, possess, or grow it, does not mean that it has no legitimate medical uses. Many people self medicate themselves with marijuana because it works for them. Some states have decriminalized it. Some states even have medical marijuana laws. There is even a drug called Marinol that contains THC, the psychoactive component of marijuana. It is used widely across the country, especially in the fields of oncology, pain management, and even rheumotology and neurology. Marijuana is illegal because it contains THC, yet we can make a drug with THC (which is even plant derived) and prescribe it every day...does that make sense? Why you ask...so drug companies can sell it and make a profit.

What? Are you sure about that? Alcohol is far more harmful and debilitating than marijuana, both in short term effects and long term effects. Smoking does not compare either, as when placed in comparison the average cigarette smoker smokes far more tobacco than the average marijuana smoker smokes marijuana.

Typically rehab centers are a good place to find drug addicts. As far as marijuana being a stepping stone to other drugs: do you really believe that if marijuana ceased to exist tomorrow that people would not still try other drugs? Please.

Ok Artie McStrawman.


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To specifically address this point...why do you prefer to keep it that way? Are you afraid that you are going to use it if it is legalized?

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I could smoke a mountain of pot and not be as dopey as this character.

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You really could never convince me that marijuana doesn't make people idiots (the chronic users). I've seen enough to know that while it has no direct effect it certainly makes you lazy enough for a long enough time to not do what you are supposed to do as a functional human being. Combine this with chronic use and you now have a long term user that is an #####. Considering the quality of intelligence by the thread creator, can we really afford this risk?

So, in my opinion, it isn't so much that the product is unhealthy and causes an eminent thread to the others in a society but rather that it is just plain stupid to do. Whether this is reason enough to make it illegal, I dunno. I prefer it be illegal in public buildings (stores, office buildings, etc) and illegal while driving at the very least.

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It gives the lazy a great excuse but in the not so lazy it presents no real impediment to action.

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YOU clearly don't understand how serious marijuana is. When you're drunk, you don't know your drunk. Same thing with being high.

Put down the blunt and think with your microscopic brain (for once). They can both be used for pain relief. Only morphine is harder to get.

Then why do marijuana addicts tend to end up on heroin? And how come people that only smoke every weekend never forget to smoke on individual weekends?

Marijuana is a gateway drug. Once you smoke too much (which is not much), you develop a taste for being high and move on to cocaine, heroin, LSD, etc.

Oh, so this only happens here, huh? Every single hardcore drug addict is here, huh?

Marijuana has taken it's toll on your mind --- you can't even understand what I wrote!

Marijuana is worse than tobacco. Not only does it get you high, but it has the same effects on the lungs as tobacco. And your argument is not a good one. If I said "this food is bad because it's poisonous, so lets use this one and add poison to it." Does that make any sense? NO.

You're not much better. You're missing my points as well.

You throw personal insults more than I do. So when will YOU grow up?

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The effects are not remotely similar.

Marijuana is not an effective pain reliever. It is commonly prescribed to treat nervous disorders and nausea.

They don't. The vast majority of users(not addicts) are functioning citizens. The fact that you don't know that proves the point.

This is old and tired. The only gateway is the dealer who is encouraged to carry multiple products. That and the fact that many young people figure that if they were lied to about the seriousness of dangers associated with marijuana, maybe those other drugs aren't as bad as they say either. Wonderful strategy on the part of the antis.

Except no one smokes 20-40 joints a day.

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Everything you say makes sense, but as sinjin said, some of the lower function problems may be related to the underlying character. Certainly there exists a character-type that is undermotivated and gets high a lot. Chicken or egg?

My point to the opening poster was that anyone who knows anything about the effects of marijuana ingestion knows the last thing a stony would do is light a friend on fire.

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So what does this have to do with the topic? Alcohol is legal, marijuana isn't, but they both serve the same purpose (getting high), so why should one be illegal and the other not?



This will get you banned if you keep it up.
Pain relief is only one medical application of marijuana. And you can't be serious when you say that marijuana is just as addictive as morphine is.



Because they are predisposed to addiction.
What? That's like saying that anyone who enjoys a beer on the weekend is an alcoholic.



No, it isn't.

Oh? And what is the specific amount of pot you have to smoke before you become a drug crazed fiend?

Incorrect. There is no direct corellation between marijuana use and the use of "harder" drugs.

Do you understand what was said? If you're looking to see if marijuana use leads to the use of "hard" drugs, asking a room full of heroin addicts isn't exactly a balanced sample.

This will also get you banned.

No, it isn't. Tobacco is much more addictive (ranks up there with heroin)

It has higher tar levels, but much less chemicals, so it's actually a little better for your lungs.

Actually, your argument makes no sense. It's not the pesticides used on the tobacco crop that makes it harmful, it's the chemicals they add to the tobacco to make the smoke more palatable. Your whole point here is moot.

Well, since you've called those who've disagreed with you here stupid (and variations thereof), and insinuated that they're too stoned to understand you, I think you have the most ground to make up. You also provide no support for your statements, most of which were debunked years ago as drug czar propoganda.

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Because one has second-hand smoke, 70% of all drug addicts started on it, and is harder to control how much you take in.

The person I was responding to used personal insults on several occasions, yet you don't seem too eager to report them. Perhaps that because my opinions contradict yours?

I never implied that. But morphine is harder to get than marijuana is.

HA! Everyone is predisposed to addiction!

Not exactly. It's easier to control how much alcohol you take in than it is marijauna.

HA!! Is that the most intelligent thing you had to say? You're not even gonna try to back that up? HA!!!

I'm smart enough not to try and find out. So why don't you tell me?

So I guess it's just coincidence that 70% of all drug addicts started on marijuana.


How old are you? Do you have any idea how childish it is to go around threatening to report people? Even more so when you sit there and laugh when someone who's on your side does the exact same thing.

You're only counting the physical addiction. What about the mental addiction? Did you think of that?

Do you think weed farmers won't add chemicals to it if it's legalized? If you do, then you're a very nieve person.

By closing the hold I made you just opened up another one. Once they start producing weed in mass quantities, the greedy scumbag farmers will want more money, and they'll add chemicals to it.

I don't regret anything I've said.

Oh, and you do?

Who proved it wrong? Huh? NOBODY. It was just assumed so scumbags like you could rationalize doing something that they shouldn't have done.

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