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Old 02-16-2006, 06:22 PM
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You don't have to figure it out, just buy any modern 3/4 truck with a diesel, make a couple phone calls, and write a check.

500HP is darn near stock, a simple chip and exhaust will make stock reliable 500 HP and huge torque for around $1000-1500.

Start adding additional turbos, propane injection, increase pump capacity, etc... and the skies the limit.

I'm still running the V10, but I think my next SD will be a diesel, simply because it's so cheap to add big HP to them.

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I bet your truck doesn't run 10 second 1/4 miles. My car does.
I'd love to have a turbo diesel tow vehicle with propane and nitrous injection.
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Apparently not you. Just in case you missed it first and second time round can you provide a proper answer to the question posed:
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My answer is "Who cares?" Until they make a diesel capable of outperforming a gas engine in a drag race/street car, I don't care.
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If you had to pay UK prices for fuel you might not have such a blase attitude. That aside you think it doesn't matter how much gas your car guzzles..... try taking your blinkers off and considering the wider issues instead of hiding behind your "I'll do as I please and the rest of you be damned" baloney.
I pay $10/gallon for race fuel for a car that gets ~3mpg on a good day (second Z28) and >$2.50/gallon for a car that gets 8mpg on a good day(1st Z28 daily driver) Do you really think that your $5/gallon gas scares me?
And I'm not hiding behind anything. I buy my own gas for vehicles that I like to drive, unapologetically.
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You don't have to figure it out, just buy any modern 3/4 truck with a diesel, make a couple phone calls, and write a check.

500HP is darn near stock, a simple chip and exhaust will make stock reliable 500 HP and huge torque for around $1000-1500.

Start adding additional turbos, propane injection, increase pump capacity, etc... and the skies the limit.

I'm still running the V10, but I think my next SD will be a diesel, simply because it's so cheap to add big HP to them.

Waxy

And I bet your V-10 gets better gas mileage then those older 460ci motors.
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My answer is "Who cares?" Until they make a diesel capable of outperforming a gas engine in a drag race/street car, I don't care.
I guess the real point here is who cares what you think of diesel/petrol performance considering you are both unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of your own little microcosm of expensive adult toys with wheels
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Old 02-17-2006, 03:24 PM
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I guess the real point here is who cares what you think of diesel/petrol performance considering you are both unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of your own little microcosm of expensive adult toys with wheels
How often do you fly OccamsRazor?

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I bet your truck doesn't run 10 second 1/4 miles. My car does.
I'd love to have a turbo diesel tow vehicle with propane and nitrous injection.
I was unaware that compression would ignite propane or nitrous oxide. Don't they need a spark?
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I was unaware that compression would ignite propane or nitrous oxide. Don't they need a spark?
They simply add small chain highly combustible hydrocarbons and oxygen respectively to the diesel already being injected to increase the burn rate and temp of combustion.

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I guess the real point here is who cares what you think of diesel/petrol performance considering you are both unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of your own little microcosm of expensive adult toys with wheels

You are kidding right?
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How often do you fly OccamsRazor?

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Not very often. You?

But as you brought the subject up civil aviation is another major consumer of fossil fuels....... and it also injects a significant proportion of emissions into the stratosphere which has a much longer residence time than the troposphere where most other fossil fuels are burnt. We should allbear that in mind before hopping on those cheap flights for a weekend away.
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You are kidding right?
Why?
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I guess the real point here is who cares what you think of diesel/petrol performance considering you are both unable and unwilling to consider anything outside of your own little microcosm of expensive adult toys with wheels
I have no problem with diesels....in a tow vehicle. Great torque, but no revs.
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You are kidding right?
No, I think he's suffering from that little green-eyed monster, envy.
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Not very often. You?
I can count my trips by plane on one hand

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But as you brought the subject up civil aviation is another major consumer of fossil fuels....... and it also injects a significant proportion of emissions into the stratosphere which has a much longer residence time than the troposphere where most other fossil fuels are burnt. We should allbear that in mind before hopping on those cheap flights for a weekend away.
That was my point.

The US military is the undisputed #1 polluter.

The #2 polluter is the airline industry. I can drive my truck and ride my snowmobile all weekend, along with everyone else out on the mountain, and it doesn't even begin to hold a candle to one commercial flight.

And yet, somehow, the airline industry gets zero press well all the while the tiny OHV market receives enormous pressure from the "greens".

In case you can't tell, this is a bit of a hot button issue for me.

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Over here the airline industry gets huge stick from environmental groups, as does the government for not taxing aviation fuel properly, leaving us with the ludicrous situation where it is both cheaper and quicker, though more polluting, to travel by plane than it is by ferry or train.
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