Here's how I think it goes. What's everyone else think?
Leviticus is the Holiness Code for priests and rituals used by the Jews to separate themselves from the Pagans. It is invalid to Christians along with all the other kosher laws it contains. Because Pagans had male/male sex (often using prostitution) as part of fertility rituals, the Jews separated themselves from the Pagans by not allowing that. It is talking about ritual uncleanliness.

In Leviticus 18:22 and in Romans 1:26, the word "abomination" is actually "ritualistically unclean". So, Leviticus 18:22 would refer to those men who have sex with men but would not normally do that and are not attracted to men. It refers to men who are, by nature, attracted to women. Furthermore, the phrasing "as with a woman" implies that the man would normally bed women not men, meaning it's a straight guy sleeping with a man for a Pagan fertility ritual.

In Romans 1:26 it would mean people having homosexual sex without originally being homosexuals or bisexuals themselves (yes, this is possible. Homosexuality refers to attractions, not actions.). The word actually means "unnatural". Since God cannot defy the laws of nature because he is the law of nature, it cannot mean "against the laws of nature". More accurately, this phrase, "para physin" means "uncharacteristic". It means that the person's actions were different from their usual actions. Besides this, in Romans homosexuality is not being called a sin. Instead, gay sex is being used as a form of penance. They turn from God, and so he decides that they should be gay to cleanse themselves. Certain translations also mention that the people who were "turned gay" by God had loveless sex based only on lust. It ignores loving relationships.

Also, in that time they believed that sperm was the full baby and the woman was simply an incubator (no concept of an egg). This is why masturbation is wrong: it kills the babies with no chance to live since they have no incubator. The lack of incubator in a male would make it wrong to have sex with a male as the babies would just die which would be murder. Since sperm is not a full baby, it isn't murder, and therefore this argument doesn't really apply.

Soddom was also not burned for gay people. It was burned because the people were greedy ("fullness of bread" the Bible calls it). The scene with the angels? That was hazing. Lot was being a good host and kept them from being hazed since they were the "new guys" in town.

In the story of the Roman soldier's servant being healed, it can be viewed that Jesus endorsed homosexuality. He lived in Galilee which was a Pagan area, not in Judea where the Jews were. Because he was a Galileen he would have known that the Pagan Romans had no problem with homosexuality. When Matthew wrote this, he used the Greek slang word "pai§" for a servant who is also a catamite. Roman soldiers often had sexual relationships with their boy servants. Jesus would have known this. If he had something against homosexuality, would he have healed the boy? He seems to be approving of their relationship.

Um, I think I've covered everything I've come across.

Actually, the word in LEviticus is 'Tovah' , which means 'ritualistically unclean.' The conservative and orthodox Jews do think that homosexual
behavior is wrong. The Reform Jews are more flexible.


You are correct, the sin of Soddom and Gomorrah is of inhosplitatlity, not of
being homosexual.

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Oh, thank you. Getting things crossed in my head. Will fix.

That's your opinion. And often the opinion of people who don't WANT the Bible interpreted in a way that says gay sex is wrong. I tend to think there were numerous "sins of Soddom and Gomorrah," inhospitality being one of them, as well as sexual issues gone so bad that homosexual relations were everywhere.

Ezekiel 16:49
" 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

No, it is not my opinion. It is the opinion of Eziekle for one.

And what did Joesphus say about it?

So, it is not just my opinion, but the opinion of the scriptures, and the opinion of Josphus (who probably took it from the Jewish scriptures).

Then , let's look at the Bablyonian Talmud

And Rambam

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Totally unrealistic depiction of a society of course... very fablic.

But it does seem to show that they were a model of pride and selfishness, not 'sodomy'.

Bad readings are what gave "sodomy" the name it has. If people actually read Ezekiel, "sodomy" would be defined as "greed" not "any sexual act that is not one man and one woman in missionary position with the woman in the submissive position".

In spite of what your revisionist Reform Judaism (politically correct Judaism) says, gay sex is a sin (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, etc.).

As for Sodom and Gomorrah, the brother of Christ / God himself - said,

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Jude 1:7

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You know, I don't accept Jude as any kind of authority.. it also contradicts Eziekel and all of Jewish tradition... so no, i don't accept , from eziekle that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is homosexuality.

Even the writer of the JUde (which most scholars things is a pseudepigraph, not from the apostal jude), did not define 'Sexual immorality and peversion'.

SO stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Nonsense. It doesn't contradict anything in Ezekiel. It just adds another sin to the platter. Nice try.

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Well, it puts some extra stuff there.. but it never was meant to be there.

That is just Pauls hangups.. Boy, did he have a lot of sexual hangups.

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Ha! Try looking at your own Tanakh for a load of those, like King David, who besides his adultery was descended from a gentile and had a hooker in the woodpile. Then try Judah having sex with his daughter-in-law Tamar, whom he unwittingly thought was a prostitute so he slept with her.

You guys should talk.

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"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." (NASA Astronomer Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers, p. 116.)

Indeed they did. However, you don't understand what the stories are and what the stories mean. That is just your christain blinders closing your eyes to the true meaning of the Tanakh.

That, of course, is your loss. Maybe someday you will grow up, and learn some spiritual enlightenment.

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It must be said, enjoying sex (even with gentiles!) is not really a hang-up, though in some contexts it may be sin. In any case, I'd be careful putting down David and Judah as 'you guys' (those sinful Jews). The genealogies quite clearly make Jesus the descendant of these various sinful relationships.