...and by those who wish they never had been born...

Originally Posted by VTCruiser

Quote from the Great Ronald Reagan

"Abortion Is Advocated Only By Persons Who Have Themselves Been Born"

On the other hand abortion is only opposed by the born and wars are started only bu the born and choices are made etc etc etc etc.

Murder is never committed by persons already dead. Fascinating.

Originally Posted by VTCruiser

Quote from the Great Ronald Reagan

"Abortion Is Advocated Only By Persons Who Have Themselves Been Born"

This is supposed to be clever?
To advocate anything, you must be born first... and... that must mean abortion is evil, I guess.

Did Ronny say this before or after the Alzheimer's started?

Originally Posted by VTCruiser

Quote from the Great Ronald Reagan

"Abortion Is Advocated Only By Persons Who Have Themselves Been Born"

I assume you are quoting this statement since you think that pro-choice proponents are hypocritical in allowing for abortion, where they themselves have benefited from the fact that abortion did not happen in their case.

The thing that you forget is that there are innumerable things that had to happen for any of us to exist - including not getting aborted. For example, if contraception had been used, we also would not have existed. Does that mean that we should outlaw all contraception? If our parents had never met or had sex when they did, we would not exist. Does that mean that we should force couples to have as many children as they possibly can since each unfertilized egg could be a real person whose chances you are squashing? I say no to those two scenarios, just as I say no to a woman being forced to carry a pregancy in the first two trimesters. Just because something is beneficial to someone doesn't mean it should be enforced by law. I am glad that my parents did not abort me, just as I am glad that they did not use contraception, met and had sex when they did, etc. That does not mean that I would have thought it immoral if none of those things had happened.

Originally Posted by VTCruiser

Quote from the Great Ronald Reagan

"Abortion Is Advocated Only By Persons Who Have Themselves Been Born"

Advocated, thats settles everything. aa...Unborn people, could I have a list of everything they approved?

hello??

Reagan is why we have abortion. And the Taliban if you want to get the story straight.

Reagan wasn't much brighter than Bush.

I am a complete supporter of Abortion. A woman has every right to get an abortion if she wants to, it's not up to anyone but her. My opinion is: "If you don't support abortion...don't get one."

If the only argument that Anti-Abortionists have is "it's killing a baby" they need to wise up and realize that being Anti-Abortion is Anti-Choice and Anti-Choice is Anti-Freedom.

Also, when you use a condom, when you masturbate, you release thousands of "lives that could have been", so stop whining. I don't know what all the fuss is about over Abortion.

Abortion is an old thing. Even before moses, abortion happened. During the time of Jesus, Rome allowed abortion.

Clearly we know we can not stop abortion, the methods to do one is long and effective. There is no country on the earth that has stopped abortion. Saudi Arabia puts doctors to death for doing them, and doctors are dieing.

All we can do is offer medical aid to those that get them. If they start hiding again, like our great grandparents, they'll be dieing again. Most doctors will have to do what they did in the past. Shut up and not tell the state what the women did.

If we illegalize abortion; We will be jailing women and doctors, thats clear. More women will be dieing in the birthing process in fact the numbers are up as we speak.

It all boils down to a simple question. Can the state force a person to host something and care for them selfs? They actually have to be careful and care about their condition to gestate a fetus.

Lets say we as a nation decide that men should not have a choice. If your blood type and organs match someone in kidney failure, you should be forced to host them. They would live a parasitic nature having your system provide their bodies needs. We could even have a time limit...9 months. Should we all have a choice to be the host of something?

We can argue all day and night about the humanistic value of a fetus and it still comes down to; can we as a society tie someone down and force them to gestate something they don't want to harbor? If we don't, a woman that does not want to be a vessel to a gestation process will easily find a way to end the situation. A good punch in the gut causes massive issues, it can end the condition that easily. its just a thin membrane protecting a gestating fetus...Thats it.

In my mind; every mother on earth is a hero. They carried and cared for a fetus that became a child. We all can find that much to admire in our own mothers. Maybe all mankind should have that much?

Originally Posted by Operation Spoon

A woman has every right to get an abortion if she wants to...

A woman does not have a right to an abortion, she has a constitutional right to privacy and abortion is protected under that right to privacy.

This isn’t splitting hairs, it’s important to understand and use against the anti-choice crowd who will gladly give away our rights to feel good.

I still can't see the connection between abortion and death at birth. It is crazy

Originally Posted by Winston Smith

I still can't see the connection between abortion and death at birth. It is crazy

What do you mean?

precisely that!

are you against women giving birth because it is dangerous? therefore they must abort to save their lives?

Originally Posted by richbrmly

Abortion is an old thing. Even before moses, abortion happened. During the time of Jesus, Rome allowed abortion.

Clearly we know we can not stop abortion, the methods to do one is long and effective. There is no country on the earth that has stopped abortion. Saudi Arabia puts doctors to death for doing them, and doctors are dieing.

All we can do is offer medical aid to those that get them. If they start hiding again, like our great grandparents, they'll be dieing again. Most doctors will have to do what they did in the past. Shut up and not tell the state what the women did.

If we illegalize abortion; We will be jailing women and doctors, thats clear. More women will be dieing in the birthing process in fact the numbers are up as we speak.

It all boils down to a simple question. Can the state force a person to host something and care for them selfs? They actually have to be careful and care about their condition to gestate a fetus.

Lets say we as a nation decide that men should not have a choice. If your blood type and organs match someone in kidney failure, you should be forced to host them. They would live a parasitic nature having your system provide their bodies needs. We could even have a time limit...9 months. Should we all have a choice to be the host of something?

We can argue all day and night about the humanistic value of a fetus and it still comes down to; can we as a society tie someone down and force them to gestate something they don't want to harbor? If we don't, a woman that does not want to be a vessel to a gestation process will easily find a way to end the situation. A good punch in the gut causes massive issues, it can end the condition that easily. its just a thin membrane protecting a gestating fetus...Thats it.

In my mind; every mother on earth is a hero. They carried and cared for a fetus that became a child. We all can find that much to admire in our own mothers. Maybe all mankind should have that much?

I agree with the above. But not all gestations are the result of rape most gestations ocur because women spread their legs willingly.