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OK.., we're not allowed to use the scriptures as a "proof" or reference point, yet you want me to give you a motivation for what God may or may not have done.  |
Yeah. I didn't think you had an answer to that one...
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1) I support any persons right to serve in the military. I do NOT support an individual's right to serve "because" he is gay. IOW, I do NOT believe you have the right to serve when you state, "I am gay and I want to serve in the military" I believe "don't ask don't tell" is the perfect compromise.
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"to serve 'because' he is gay"???
You obviously understand little about the situation.
People don't want to serve "because" they are gay.
Do you think straight people want to serve "because" they are straight?
Gays want to serve in the military for the same reasons that straights want to serve in the military.
2) So you support gays to be forced to serve in silence.
To serve in a situation that straights obviously don't have to dream of...
Demanding that the object of your prejudice not reveal who they are is not "tolerance".
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2) NO I do not support gay adoption.... that is the whole point. If two gays want to raise a child then let them create one.
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Again, a clear lack of tolerance.
Furthermore, an absurd standard.
Many straight couples adopt cause they can't "create" a kid.
I would wager your standard is glaringly one-sided...
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3) Again "don't ask, don't tell" I have worked with and hired many gays and lesbians, (more than 15 if you need a number). They were hired for thier qualifications, NOT because of sexual orientation. I have chosen NOT to hire a few people because their sexuality was put up front as if it were some type of qualification.
As far as "housing protection" I have no experience with it and no opinion at this time.
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Considering a lot of places have laws against asking such questions in the first place, I find your claim of such knowledge quite amusing...
Regardless, I didn't ask about "hiring" them.
I asked about legislation to prevent employers from hiring / firing discrimination based on sexual orientation.
You didn't answer the question.
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4) Civil Unions? I don't care. Personally I think the whole stink about gay marriage is about forcing society to accept homosexuality as mainstream. I don't know what advantages are gained by the title "marriage" being attached to a civil union other than that.
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When straights get married, do you think it's about getting society to accept them?
Gays want to marry for the same reasons that straights do.
It's your paranoia and refusal to see gays as regular as straights that lead you to absurd assessments.
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I have limited my life because gays want to feel better...., but I don't expect you to understand that.
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I would love to see you elaborate on that...
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NO. It means that those listed are assumed to behave normally. The truth may be that Michelle is more frigid than antarctica. However we don't know that...., as it should be.
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And you don't know about the sex lives of most gay people either.
Just knowing we're gay doesn't tell you how often we have sex.
Ever hear of "lesbian bed death"?
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I have never "announced" that I am straight. I don't have to because the marriage I am in, is accepted as normal by the majority of our society.
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Why are you throwing the fact that you're married in my face?
I didn't ask you if you were married, did I?
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The problem is your hyper-sensitivity to gays. Insisting that we don't share info that heterosexuals share each day.
If a heterosexual says "I'm married. My wife's name is Karen", you guys don't mind that.
But if a woman says "I'm married. My wife's name is Karen", you freak out.
These are your problems.
Not mine.
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You will not accept that homosexual behavior is not normal, you believe that it is not deviant behavior. You have that right.
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Meh. What is "normal" and why is it so important?
Some people define "normal" by percentages. Majority is "normal".
Some define it by what they want to be socially acceptable.
It's an opinion.
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I am convinced that it is abnormal, and that it is deviant behavior. Based on eyewitness testimony to the existance of Jesus. Scriptures that also testify to the same, that were written in 66 separate books over a 1600 year period of time by many different authors, that plainly state that the practice of sexual homosexuality is an "abomination".
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Yeah.
And it's immoral to touch pig-skin.
And it's okay to own a slave.
And genocide is ordered by God.
And if there aren't enough women to go around in your polygamous village, God says it's a good idea to go into a nearby country and kill their men and non-virgin women, and take the remainder for forced spouses...
I know all about your bible and its morality.
I laugh at the idea that you think it's a legitimate source of morality.
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Your right to "announce" your sexual preferences does in fact infringe upon mine.
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You have yet to give any rational explanation as to how it does.
You presume to have more rights than gays do. More rights on freedom of speech. More rights in a wide variety of areas.
You don't like it? I got no sympathy for those who complain about having their
imagined rights being violated, as they espouse discrimination upon gays...