Girl ESQ, you have a ridiculous mass of research supporting your position, and your articulation is excellent, as well as your debate style. nuff respect
everything you said concerning the irrelevance of the old testament law and the issue of grace, I totally agree with all that. the word "know" in the context of Genesis 19, I still think it means "to have sex with", and you stated that you are open to the possibility of this definition, which would imply that the men of Sodom truly did desire homosexual relations with Lot's guests. that would make homosexuality one of the sins of Sodom. that would also mean that the men were struck with blindness because they were driven by homosexual lusts.
but I leave that as "possibly". no debate necessary
I do want to address a point that you implied at the very top of your post:
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Originally Posted by Girl ESQ
According to the Bible, it is God who creates people (regardless of sexual orientation). He forms us as we are. Our genes, our temperaments, our time and place in history, our talents, our gifts, our weaknesses -- all are part of God's inscrutable and loving plan for us. So, somehow God must be behind the fact that some people are homosexual.
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to me it implies here that you believe people are born homosexual, or perhaps with homosexual tendancies. by extension, it implies that you believe people are born with all the tendencies of emotions and feelings that they act on.
I disagree. it has not been proven that people are born with homosexual tendencies. there are a lot of studies about it that produce contradicting results. no doubt there are tons of articles that propogate the notion that homosexuality is genetic/biological/physical, but they are all based on a few experiments of questionable methods. I'll provide links later.
homosexuality is the act of having sexual relations with people of the same sex. homosexuality is also the sexual attraction people of the same sex have for one another. therefore it is a feeling as well as an action based on that feeling.
the thing is, homosexuals justify their actions by their feelings, and they justify their feelings by the belief that "being gay" is built-in
first of all, if homosexual actions is based on feelings, how can it be justified? how can gays use the argument "you cant resist your feelings"? feelings dont control one's actions, the influence it at best, but a persons actions ultimately rests on choice. you can choose to act on your feelings or not.
secondly, if it is true that "you cant resist your feelings", then why do we make other feelings-based actions crimes? murder and rape are considered passionate crimes, meaning that feelings had a lot to do with it. yet we incarcerate murderers and rapists because it is illegal for them to act on those feelings.
moreso, if emotion-based actions can be linked to genetics/physiology/biology, then these commiters of "passionate" crimes are probably born with the temperament to kill or rape. how can society judge them? and if scientific research has found biological links to homosexual behavior, why arent there biological links to ALL emotion-based behavior? I hardly think that homosexuality can be the only feeling that is biologically rooted, and all other feelings are by choice...